Hurt Meets Healer Podcast
Hurt people, hurt people. Are you ready to work through the pain of your past? Healing is possible! Join us on our healing journey, a journey to freedom, where you'll get straight truth from genuine people.
We use our story and experience to help others walk through the trauma of intimate betrayal. This is raw and real talk from average people who are walking the path of healing.
Kim is a Certified Professional Mentor™ through BraveHearts University, and a Certified Christian Life Coach through the Board of Christian Life Coaching.
Hurt Meets Healer Podcast
Part 2: Forgiveness...Is More Than Saying Sorry
Navigating the treacherous waters of forgiveness after intimate betrayal requires more than just hearing "I'm sorry." In this second installment of our forgiveness series, we dive deep into what true forgiveness looks like when trust has been shattered.
Using a powerful analogy of John's recent foot injury, we explore how emotional wounds, like physical ones, cannot heal properly when ignored or covered up. Just as his injured toe required examination, cleaning, and proper treatment, the pain of betrayal demands acknowledgment and care—not a quick bandage of forced forgiveness.
"Forgive and forget" might be the most damaging advice given to betrayed spouses. We challenge this notion head-on, distinguishing between genuine forgiveness and toxic expectations that rush the healing process. Kim speaks directly to betrayed spouses feeling pressured to "just get over it," offering permission to heal on their own timeline and validation that their boundaries are not only appropriate but necessary.
The conversation takes several revealing turns as we navigate our own ongoing healing journey, demonstrating in real-time the challenges of discussing forgiveness while still working through pain. Our unfiltered dialogue reveals both the progress we've made and the work that remains—a testament to forgiveness being a process rather than a one-time event.
Perhaps most importantly, we clarify that forgiveness doesn't automatically restore trust or eliminate consequences. Trust must be earned separately through consistent, trustworthy behavior over time. Healthy boundaries aren't punishment; they're essential protection during healing.
Whether you're the betrayed or betraying spouse, this episode offers practical steps toward meaningful forgiveness that honors the reality of the hurt while creating space for genuine healing. Join us as we walk this difficult but ultimately liberating path toward freedom from resentment without sacrificing truth.
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Kim Capps ministry that was created to help individuals and couples who are walking through the devastating impact of sexual addiction and infidelity. Thanks for joining me today and welcome back y'all. We are on our 26th episode here and the title today we're continuing on with forgiveness. We're going to end up with three parts if we survive each other walking through this discussion together. So tonight is forgiveness. Today, tonight, whenever you're listening to it, we're recording it in the evening. Forgiveness is more than saying sorry, and this is part two. We're talking about forgiving a spouse after intimate betrayal and understanding that it's a challenging, but I say but I really want to say, however, it potentially could be a liberating process. I know the Bible speaks about forgiving sets us free, doesn't it? Hi John, I see you're back.
Speaker 2:Parts of me are back.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I forgot to say howdy do it's a hard topic and I understand being focused in. It's an area that you are getting a world of experience in walking through the many M-A-N-Y not M-I-N-I minefields of hurts and betrayals that require forgiveness on a daily basis. So it is forgiven that you didn't introduce me. We, we are walking through the middle of this, you know, as we talk about it and so, um, it might sound a little choppy or tense or real, and that's because it is I get a little punchy is what I call it a little puncher because we these are things that we are living in and hopefully through as as we, as we grow and work together to grow together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, I know, for me, forgiving is a process that I have walked through many, many, many times, for not only you, John, but for others who have hurt me, and it frees me to not worry about planning your demise or anyone else's demise or hurt or whatever. I don't have to punish. I was taught growing up that this whole we talked about it last episode forgive and forget. How erroneous that is. Or maybe it was just a discussion that we had because we have disagreed on that topic quite a bit and forgiving doesn't mean excusing the betrayal. It really happened and I was brought up to not remember.
Speaker 2:I was Sleep it under the rug, yeah.
Speaker 1:You don't ever talk about it, that movie, encanto. We don't talk about our sins, sins, sins, and we don't talk about our stuff. Yeah, and so it was never healed. You can't heal. My opinion this is my opinion is if you stuff it and I believe you're a walking example of it, that if you stuff it, you're just burying it alive it will not heal.
Speaker 1:And fortunately we have an actual incident that we can relate this to. That's very recent you decided to attempt to blow your toes off, bust them out with this thing-ajigger, big lead, the lead pipe. John Capps in the pasture with the lead pipe and, interestingly, we had just been to a play, the Clue, the Musical. We get home and he proceeds to end up with stitches in his. He blew out his big toe, not big toe, the second one over your pointer toe Right and broke another toe and his foot's all swollen and black and blue sucker covered up. Will it heal?
Speaker 1:If I hadn't have taken you to, if we hadn't gone to urgent care that night, had I just not even looked at it, because I was looking at it from the top, right from the top of your foot, like, oh my gosh, yeah, that one's broken, that one's, I'm just gonna go with. All three of these are broken, but I don't have x-ray vision, right, so I can't see what's under there. And there was blood coming from somewhere, a couple of somewheres, right. So had I just said suck it up, cupcake, you shouldn't hurt, that shouldn't hurt you.
Speaker 1:It was just a lead pipe, it was a breaker bar. Actually is what it was. You should be okay, Take a couple deep breaths. Let's do our grounding exercises. I'm here for you, john, but I didn't, because to me and I have some medical experience being a former respiratory therapist in that if there's blood, something's wrong, in that if there's blood, something's wrong. And so I did some more investigating and found a huge opening in the toe that I could not treat. Well, I probably could have, but it would have not been enjoyable for you, it wasn't enjoyable anyway, but it would have most likely been quite a bit more painful right and so and I'm like I yes, I'm not touching that with it.
Speaker 1:So we go to the urgent care and he, the doctor, immediately starts touching him doing this. He wants to send us to the ER and we respectfully decline. So he ends up sewing you up. But what did they do first?
Speaker 2:Cleaned it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and where was his face Right at your nasty foot?
Speaker 2:I guess I wasn't looking yeah, you were in some.
Speaker 1:It was painful, it hurt, it did right and and. But he had to look at it. Now I have since taken pictures and so you have seen it right. If he, if he, just went in there blindly and didn't ever look at that to know what he was dealing with, most I would venture to guess, knowing you, it would be infected because you weren't wearing socks. You were in these, I don't know, like Skechers Tennis shoes. Breaking the rule to wear boots. They were my ortho feet, so it's the same with.
Speaker 2:They own a sponsor, by the way.
Speaker 1:We sponsor ourselves.
Speaker 2:Everybody's getting rid of wheels.
Speaker 1:We're not going to sponsor those wackadoos. But you have to look at the pain, you have to look at the injury, right. So forgiving or I was back to what I was taught is if we don't look at it, talk about it, acknowledge it, it'll just kind of fade into the distance and go away. And I had said earlier I believe you're a walking example of that because you had a lot of trauma in your growing up years and that was and still is the motto of your family is to we don't talk about Bruno, we're just not going to talk about it. It's not, yeah, it's too painful. And so you buried a lot of that stuff alive and it hurt you and it hurt me, and it hurt our children and it hurt our friends and family members, some of our-, our ministry and our light, yeah.
Speaker 2:So much, and it is a very clear and present example that yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it's painful either way. The reality is it's painful either way, right this way, I hope, and I've experienced it on the emotional side. This way there is an end point to the pain of getting it healed, getting it stitched up, keeping it clean and you've been amazing at keeping it wrapped when it needs to be and unwrapped when it doesn't need to be and clean, and all of that.
Speaker 1:And I haven't even grabbed it. I didn't step on your toes. I haven't done anything to cause further injury, have I?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Other people have, but I have not. I've been very tender. Anyways, that doesn't have anything to do with well, it kind of does a little bit. We'll get to that in a minute here, Because I was taught that and I knew in my spirit, though that wasn't right, but I had no one that would validate for me that it's okay to talk about your stuff. I was told sit down and basically shut up, we're not going to talk about it.
Speaker 1:So this whole forgive and forget thing is ridiculous and I believe it's a lie and I think it's a lie from Satan. He wants us to believe that BS and that's what it is. It's as BS as that cow. Well, there is a bull out there in our pasture, that's what it is, Anywho. So forgiveness is not excusing the betrayal. It really did happen and we do ourselves a disservice when we don't recognize that and honor the fact that a hurt occurred. If we ignored your toes, what do you think would happen? Like they swelled up, like flipping hot dog. They were massive. Your whole foot swelled up the next day.
Speaker 2:I bet it's still very tender, and today too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you were up walking going around, yeah, and you got broken bones in your foot. So ignoring it is not the answer, right, right. So when we forgive, that doesn't equal excusing the betrayal, restoring trust immediately or reconciliation. It doesn't mean off of ourselves and we give that to God and I like to say I am giving, I release the justice of this situation to God, of this situation to God, and I will be the first to say he does not execute justice in the way that I would or I would like to see. And I will also be the first to say I'm grateful for that, because I would walk. I walk with a limp already.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine how I would walk around if he did not just wasn't crazy, in love with us and forgive us. And man, thank you, jesus, that we have that ability to do that. It's not easy, though it's not easy. There are some steps that are out there that we can take, but it's hard. And where it even gets harder is when you're still being sinned against, and I want to say big time sinned against. Well, what the heck is that? Even big times when you're sinned against, period right and that's, that's the, that is the.
Speaker 2:I think the hardest thing well, maybe not one of the hardest things is recognizing that we're equals, that there's no.
Speaker 1:Ooh, tread lightly there, Juan.
Speaker 2:Well. Because I don't know where you're going with that we're equals before God, we're equally guilty, and you know, I'm just going to go on record.
Speaker 1:I don't like hearing saying that. I know it's more than likely true, but coming from you boy, that sure feels like a kick in my lady balls.
Speaker 2:Well, this is my journey. That, I'm saying, is, when I have ever put myself above you or anybody else, I have found forgiveness to be extraordinarily difficult, because I think that I'm justified in holding that grudge or holding on to that because I'm somehow better than you or somebody else.
Speaker 2:I think you're better than you, are Right, are right, and so when I, when I have this tiered version of sin, that my sin isn't quite as black as yours or isn't quite as black as the next guy, right, that hurt me, yeah um then I've set myself up, then I've set myself up in this I'm looking down, I'm looking down, shrek, it's a power over Right, instead of recognizing the old saying the ground is level at the foot of the cross, to recognize that my sin is different from yours, for example, but without Jesus we're both going to hell.
Speaker 1:True, I mean, and that's the it's just, you know, it's just Boy. That's hard for me to hear coming from you.
Speaker 2:Right. And again, I'm talking about the struggles that I've had in actually learning how to forgive and actually letting stuff go, because, as we've talked about, I've carried bitterness and resentment against you, against others you just mentioned it about the childhood issues that I brought in that were unhealed and I thought I was so much better than he was and Well, well, well.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't until I was really able to wrap my arms around all that, that I was actually able to forgive him of all of the things and all of the hurt and all of the future that was destroyed. And so that's where my story enters. That is, I'm no better. I haven't done, thankfully, the things that he did, but I'm equally guilty before God, and so that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:See, I don't like that. Equally, we are accountable for our own sins. I am not equal to you and your sin.
Speaker 2:No, but we are guilty.
Speaker 1:My sin causes me to be guilty in front of God. My sin, though, is not on the same par. I mean, I get sin is sin, and some people have these levels that are there, and maybe I have a level because I think your sin is worse and your poo stinks worse than mine. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2:I understand.
Speaker 1:We're having an honest conversation here, because you hurt me Right.
Speaker 2:Badly, of course, and that skews things.
Speaker 1:Quite a bit.
Speaker 2:It doesn't.
Speaker 1:Well, but still, I'm responsible for what I do and say.
Speaker 2:Correct, and what I'm saying is we are equal before God.
Speaker 1:Well see, we don't know that. Where is it? Can you give me a Bible passage? Where does it say that?
Speaker 2:Well, the first place I would go would be Romans 3.23. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, right it doesn't say we're equal.
Speaker 1:Oh long pause. Do, do, do, do, do, do do. I wish we had cameras rolling, because the look on your face was oh shoot, chat, dad, give it up and call it.
Speaker 2:Well, we all stand condemned, equally condemned.
Speaker 1:There's no equally. There's no equally. Stop saying equally Okay.
Speaker 1:If y'all hear some slapping going on, well, because I can't reach him from here, do I have a stick or something I can throw at you? I have some pens. Stop saying equally, please. I highly request, stop saying equally, because that puts you on par with me and it is not. Maybe I'm trying to get to the thing that you cause more pain and hurt and trauma than I have ever caused. Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. If we get off of this sin, your sin is stinky, just like my sin. Your sin is the same as mine. We're equal. No, get off of that, because that's not what this is about.
Speaker 1:Alright, so we're going to turn your car off from going down that road. Come back to the conversation. We're talking about forgiveness and how do you forgive such a hurtful thing? Hurtful thing. And then, when it's repeated and my point that I was getting at before you drove us down equality lane was go march somewhere in downtown Dallas. This is not the place Was releasing that Forgiveness allows us freedom from holding resentment, right, mm-hmm? Now, you had a lot of that built up from whatever stories you told yourself about me and others and stories they were Holy moly. But the first thing is. You have to acknowledge it, you have to acknowledge the pain, you have to acknowledge that it happened. And so we're going to unpack a little bit here. Oh, and our time. Wow, gosh dang. How did we run through 20 minutes like that?
Speaker 2:There's a lot to talk about. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:We are so, so messed up. How do we run through 20 minutes like that? There's a lot to talk about. Oh my gosh, we are so, so messed up. Not as much as we have been. We're getting better. But what was it in you that told you it was okay to expect from me to not acknowledge that you hurt me and that I should just get over it? That was your attitude for probably, I would say, first three or so years of this.
Speaker 2:It took me a long time to really understand the depth of the hurt that I had caused and because I was a master at stuffing and not feeling, I probably was laying that on you as an expectation, not knowingly laying that on as an expectation, but that's probably the attitude. Where the attitude came from was that was just how that's who you were right you were. I hadn't ever processed the hurts in my life. So that whole suck it up mindset was you just don't talk about it, you just get over it.
Speaker 1:Figure out a way to get over it okay, then I want a refund of all the money that was spent on your groups and your counseling during that time, because, well, I don't know what the heck it was.
Speaker 2:Those things that I mean, you know, uh, small beginnings, you know seeds that were planted, conversations and questions, and I mean all of that was working, just not at the pace that either one of us really would have liked.
Speaker 1:I would honestly say it's been very, very recently, very recently, that that has stopped or not stopped. It's lessened a lot, lessened a lot. So suppressing the pain, hiding it, that's not healthy, it's not helpful, it's not healthy it doesn't promote healing.
Speaker 2:It doesn't promote healing, it doesn't I mean, when you stuff it, did you even tell God no? No, I mean I had a really difficult relationship with God because the way I was raised, the way I was raised very, very fundamental. I guess you know a lot of Bible but no heart, and so there was a long time that I felt like God was complicit in a lot of that hurt and it was really difficult to to be close to him.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:And so that has been a journey that I still struggle with. I still struggle with that ebb and flow of, you know, being close and then feeling further away and wondering you know, where did you go? And you know that's a hard journey, and learning how to be honest with God has been helpful in this process.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. So, boy, there's a lot I could ask about that, but that would send us down probably a not beneficial rabbit hole, so we'll save that for another one. All right, moving right along. So if, when we acknowledge the pain, give honor and honor I use that word very loosely but give credence that it really did happen, this happened, grieve it, walk through that process and, I think, to even begin to forgive, we need to understand what forgiveness is, and it's like Matthew spoke a lot, boy, I am a really English non-major here, but Matthew speaks to it. Colossians 3 speaks to it. Forgive us, the Lord, forgive you. You beat that over my head last time. I say that, no, you didn't, my apologies, but it's letting go of vengeance against those who've hurt us and again, it's releasing that to God. It acknowledges the wrong while we're able to release the resentment, and it's for our peace. It's for our peace, not for the offender's absolution. It doesn't absolve them of consequences.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Now I have a big question for you on that part. When you have said, oh, I'm sorry, when you have said, oh, I'm sorry, and you have said to me, following these things, I said I was sorry, you have said that, do you believe that gets you off the hook of consequences? Because there are consequences when we sin against each other. There's distance. I don't want to be in the same room with you. I hear you breathe and it causes the hair on the back of my neck to stand up and my cackles to raise. And I'm working on building my muscles. I'll hold that. I'm not going to say it. Somebody's going to take this podcast and think that I'm working on building my muscles. I'll hold that. I'm not going to say it. Somebody's going to take this podcast and think that I'm going to. Yeah, anywho, not even going to say that, but it doesn't absolve us of consequences.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:God's forgiveness doesn't take away the consequences.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And how do you know that?
Speaker 2:Well, because I'm living in consequences of my own sin and other people's sin, I mean I've suffered consequences of other people's sin as well, Yep. And so I mean forgiveness doesn't change that, change that. So my understanding and view is when I forgive, it's important for me to remove as many consequences as I can.
Speaker 1:I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what's about to come out.
Speaker 2:Well, there are some consequences that I can control and there are some that I can't.
Speaker 1:Oh, do tell.
Speaker 2:Well, I can control. If you hurt me and I forgive you, I can control my attitude against you. That's a potential consequence to you. You mentioned distance. I can choose to either distance or not. That's a consequence that I can control to some extent. Depends on the injury right and so for me there's-.
Speaker 1:We're talking about betrayal, intimate betrayal, okay.
Speaker 2:And well, I don't have the same experiences that you do.
Speaker 1:Correct an attitude and a expectation, I guess, attitude of. Well, I said I was sorry. So, number one, you're sinning against me, kim. If you're mad, you're sinning against me, kim. If you don't talk to me, you're sinning against me, kim. If you do X Y Z, you're sinning against me, kim. If you have healthy boundaries, if you create boundaries. If sinning against me, kim, if you do X Y, z, you're sinning against me, kim. If you have healthy boundaries, you create boundaries. If you separate from me.
Speaker 1:You've said that wasn't biblical separation. It's not biblical. Well, baloney, jesus separated away, got away. Don't give me that, got away, don't give me that. And that trust should just automatically be restored. And that's bogus, all bogus, in my experience and opinion, and other people's as well, that I read and study and go to class under. So I think we're beating the consequences to death, however.
Speaker 1:So I want to just say, to reiterate, because I know a lot of women out there, betrayed spouses, who are getting the message that you just got to forgive, you got to forgive, you got to forgive and you got to do it now. You got to do it now. You can't work through the pain, you have to do it now. And I'm just here to tell you this is on your timetable. You don't have to do it now. Go to God, talk to God, allow Him to cleanse your heart, allow Him to renew your mind, allow Him to be your safe space to vent everything to, because if your spouse is still bludgeoning you with expectations that, because they said they were sorry, you can't ever talk about it again, you can't have healthy boundaries. And, dear Lord, if you want space, oh, and you should automatically trust and run, get some space, because those are all just not truth. This is not truth.
Speaker 1:Forgiveness doesn't mean condoning the betrayal. It doesn't mean bypassing consequences. Which consequences are healthy boundaries when you do this? I choose to do this. If you lie to me, I choose to separate from you for a period of 24 to 48 hours. If you hide truth from me, if you have an affair, if you're still acting out, whatever the betrayal continues to be. We had a lot in our we still do in our journey, where you're still working these things out and I will say it's because you haven't wanted to talk about these things and that's been a point of I'm still working on forgiving you for that. That's hard.
Speaker 2:I still don't want to talk about them, by the way, but I choose to because I understand that it's helpful. Okay, if you say so, I'm going to disagree on that point and I agree with you 100% that it's on God's timetable, not somebody else's to define, and that's the only timetable that matters, right.
Speaker 1:And trust is earned separately. Trust is a whole other beast.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, we're not in that conversation yet.
Speaker 1:So recognize the pain, acknowledge it, give it its due process, understand what forgiveness is, process that betrayal. You have to walk through the hurt. You can't take the loop around. We've had discussions on that in earlier podcasts that you got to go through it. It is ugly, it is messy, it is not fun, but it is worth it.
Speaker 1:If you want healing and I want to speak to the betrayers here, the wayward spouses that it will do you good to approach your spouse, your wife, your husband, whichever one is the hurting one, say, hey, I've noticed you're quiet. Would you like to talk about anything and be a safe space? Be a safe space. I will say that, as of right now, you're not a safe space for me, john. You choose to not hold me with tenderness and with care. So, among other things that this podcast is not about, so you're not safe right now.
Speaker 1:You might be one day I don't know, that's yet to be proven but processing, walking through that process of understanding the betrayal, not to obsess about the betrayal, not to um, not to obsess about the stuff, not obsessing about it, but coming to understand this did happen, accepting that it happened, that it happened and even um, getting in a group with like-minded, with I'll say like-minded with others who are hurt, that have gone through the same thing, who understand, who can give you validation and care. And love. Groups are awesome in recovery and in healing. And then you get the choice, and then you get the choice. Eventually it's going to come to a choice where you must intentionally decide to forgive. It's not this lovey-dovey feeling oh, he folded the clothes, okay, I'll forgive him. That's not it. It is a choice. An intentional choice. To forgive is a choice, an intentional choice to forgive.
Speaker 1:And what I believe that does is it frees us. It frees us to begin walking even an even deeper healing journey. I tell you I have learned so much in these past years that I would not have ever sought out to know because of actions of my husband. And I have been able to know fabulous ladies, who are just awesome individuals, that I would never have met had I not walked this journey. So, while I don't wish it on anyone, god can provide and he always does provide a way for healing and for hope, and so we get to choose that. And it's an individual's choice. No one can make you, no one can force it. That's for you, on your time and in your way. It's between you and God. No one even has to know. That's between you and God, because that's what clears our hearts For God to just pour out his forgiveness for us as we forgive those who have sinned against us, and then it will also allow for empathy and compassion for our spouses who have hurt us so bad, because they must have had to go through some really hard stuff to be that kind of person that would hurt another person so badly. I mean, how much does a person have to be hurting, hurt people, hurt people. I'm sure you've heard that and they have. I would guess that they are hurting so bad and have no clue how to stop it. Other than hurting, what you learned, john, was to sweep it under the rug. And so when you can have empathy and compassion, it really dials back that desire to unalive them. It really does For me, anyway. And then, of course, you really want, in this process, to set healthy boundaries, and one boundary that I have is I are you capable and are you responsible with my heart? And if you're not, then you get limited access to me. I'll be kind, I'll be nice, but you have limited access to me. I'll be kind, I'll be nice, but you have limited access to me. And you have to prove out that you're responsible and that you can hold my heart with tenderness and care, and you're having a hard time with that right now, john. And yeah, it's a process. It's a process.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, we'll always talk about getting support, getting good support and getting trained coaches, counselors, groups. There are a lot of them out there, and if we work with a couple of different groups, they're on our website, hurtmeatshealercom. You can find some groups there. You can find other coaches as well in that arena. So I invite you to go there and then walk out your healing, find what brings you joy and do those things. Find what brings happiness to your life and do those things and release the outcome of your spouse, their change, their healing, their recovery. Release that to God Because, well, here's the deal, god won't even force change on them, he'll bring.
Speaker 1:I believe he brings people into their lives. I believe he allows circumstances to happen and, of course, consequences. He set in place consequences for our actions, good and bad. And so when we let go of attempting to control the outcome of it, number one, holy balls, what a relief. Thank the Lord, I don't have to control that. I get to walk out my journey, and if I walk in my health and I walk in with my healthy boundaries in place, will things hurt me that other people do? Yes, absolutely, they're going to hurt me. But you know what I don't have to do Control that other person. I can't force them to do squat, and some days that makes me kind of angry, but that's just the fact of it. So, all right, woolly moly, we're yeah, we're well, well past what I'd normally like to go on this.
Speaker 1:This is a hard one. This is hard. Forgiveness is not an easy topic to talk about, and I don't. Forgiveness is not an easy topic to talk about, and we'll talk about why that is in our next podcast. But just remember acknowledge that pain and take it to God. Walk your healing journey, setting your healthy boundaries. Choose, come to that decision in your time, on your schedule, with God, and then you can walk in freedom. Any last words, john, before we sign it off.
Speaker 2:You said it very eloquently.
Speaker 1:Did I? That is not a word a lot of people use with me, but, okay, thanks, all right, y'all. Thanks for being with us on this episode of the Hurt Me Tealer podcast. We hope you've enjoyed it and join us next time, and until then, be blessed. Thank you for taking the time to listen today. Remember you are more than what happened to you. We'd be honored to come alongside and guide you on your healing journey. Connect with us at wwwhurtmeetshealercom. Until next time, god bless.
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