Hurt Meets Healer Podcast

When The Shift Hits The Fan

• Kim Capps • Season 1 • Episode 28

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Kim and John wrap up Season 1 by reflecting on their personal and relational growth through recovery from sexual addiction and infidelity. They explore how significant life changes—like Kim's 50-pound weight loss journey—mirror the emotional healing process that requires patience, consistency, and professional help.

• Kim shares her longing for "safety, peace, stability, and consistency" after years in survival mode
• John discusses learning to lead with love and stability despite his own woundedness and past failures
• The metaphor of John's broken foot illustrates how physical and emotional healing both take longer than expected
• Discussion of trauma anniversaries and how "the body keeps the score" even when the mind wants to move forward
• Kim expresses her desire for "newness, not restoration" in their relationship
• Exploration of how men set the tone in relationships and how women respond to feeling safe and cherished
• Acknowledgment that healing requires facing problems honestly rather than avoiding them

Join us for Season 2 where we'll continue peeling back layers of healing from betrayal trauma. Connect with us at www.hurtmeetshealer.com to share your stories and topic suggestions.


Thank you for listening! For more information about us and the services we offer, visit www.hurtmeetshealer.com.

Intro & Outro music written, performed, and produced by Kim Capps.


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SPEAKER_02:

Hi, and welcome to the Hurt Meets Healer Podcast. I'm Kim Caps, your host and president of Hurt Meets Healer LLC, a business tree, business plus ministry that was created to help individuals and couples for walking through the devastating impact of sexual addiction and infidelity. Thanks for joining me today. And welcome, y'all. We are recording our 28th episode, and this episode will actually conclude season one of the Hurt Meets Healer podcast. So what do you think about it, John?

SPEAKER_00:

That's crazy. Hard to believe.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

That we've come this far and accomplished this much. And sometimes it feels like it's you know empty, dead air, and other times it feels like, wow, we're actually making some progress. And so it's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I um I if someone would have told me, hey, you're gonna record a podcast with this guy, and uh you'll actually make it through season one, you'll do 28 episodes and talk about some really hard things, right? And you're absent on a few of those. And that's you know, I started with my story, but here we are ending up with I've it I've titled this episode when the shift hits the fan. There's an F in there, shift when the shift hits the fan. And I I'm calling it that because I want to know. I'm asking this question of myself, and I'm asking this question of you, John. Actually, two questions. How's your heart? Where are you uh today? And what growth has happened in you in the past six months?

SPEAKER_00:

Great questions.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, thank you. Came up with those not all by myself. Imagine that. Right. So Albert Einstein said, I'm gonna quote him, no problem can be solved by the same consciousness that created it. And my hope is that there's a shift in us, in me as an individual and you as an individual, and then in us as a couple, that's the hardest, been the hardest part.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Is us, the us side of things.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, there's a lot to unravel.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. So, and so what I'm seeking in these questions is um are we seeing any kind of changes or shifts in our behaviors and our thoughts in how we're walking the recovery journey? Um, I know for me, I I've been in survival mode for so long. I as long as I can remember that I I don't even know if I were to hit whatever normal is, would I even know that I was there?

SPEAKER_00:

Right. You know, we had this conversation not too long ago about just being healthy, and um, we're both on a pretty uh hard journey to health, toward health, not to health, but toward health. Right. Um, and you've made some amazing progress. I don't know if you want to share any of that journey, but it's hugely to be celebrated. But in the context of that conversation, we we had one the other day, and and and we were talking about you know what it's like to be healthy, to be optimized, and all these other words. And I'm like, I'm not sure I've ever experienced that um ever in my life. So I don't know what it would that look like. And you know, to your point about healthy relationship and healthy being, um, I would echo that same sentiment. I'm not sure I've ever been there.

SPEAKER_02:

So I think, you know, as probably teenagers, we were I was in some really good shape. And when we met, I think physically, yes. Yeah, physically, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Health.

SPEAKER_00:

And when I when you I hear you say health, I'm thinking physically that was the context of our conversation the other day. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, I was in really good shape at one couple of points in my life.

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and we just kind of whoop. Yeah, yeah, life happens. Gave up. Yeah, I don't I don't know that I gave up. Um, I think I went hardcore survival mode. Um I I it fighting battles that I never asked for. Um begging for to be heard, begging to be seen. And where where I am is I'm tired. I'm tired of begging to be just noticed. I'm tired of thinking I have to prove something. I have nothing to prove. I hope I'm I'm walking towards more peace in my life. Um, because what I really desire, I want a life that honors God. I want a life that feels like a deep exhale after holding my breath for so long. And if you've ever done any grounding, we take a lot of deep breaths. And at times you can exhale and you can litter, I can feel the stress draining. And that's what I long for. I long for safety, I long for peace and stability and consistency. And that what I'm recognizing in this year has been a huge um, there's been a big physical change in me having shrugged off one of the toddlers, one of the two toddlers that consistently want to hang on to me, not literal people, but pounds. I've lost, I'm on the the edge of 50 pounds having lost this year.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if there's an applause button over there, but if there was one, I'd hit it.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, and so now here's what's interesting, and you and our daughter have um walked this journey with me as I have begun to um not be able to wear clothes that I once wore, they will fall down. And I've never ever had that problem, even when I was young in the best shape, was probably because I was wearing the clothes that actually fit. And now if I put on in certain shorts or pants, if I put my phone in my back pocket, it will drag my pants down. Right. That is something that has not, I don't remember that ever happening. So I went this week to um, we have a shindig coming up that we have to look nice for, and I don't have clothes that fit for that. So I went shopping, and my my beautiful daughter encouraged me, try this size, try this size. I'm like, ah, I don't think so. And so I tried a size that I thought was gonna fit, and it was quite large on me. And so, and I I I have not, I'm telling you, I've not seen this size in it's been 35 years, easily. 36 years, 30, no, because we've been married 36 years, so 34, 35 years.

SPEAKER_00:

33, 34.

SPEAKER_02:

The uh what I have a hard time doing is giving myself credit and allowing myself to be proud of the hard work that I'm doing. I'm working out, I'm eating right, I'm getting um health checks every six months. And I have not done, I haven't taken the time in my life to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

And being disciplined with everything.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, stress, sleep, really prioritizing my my mental and emotional health along with that physical side. And I think that's that's that peace, stability, and consistency that I am really seeking and working to live in.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And it's something that we, you know, it's funny listening to you describe the clothing. Um, it's funny how so many things tie back to our just our healing journey, our emotional healing journey. And just listening to that description and and your story of of the clothes that don't fit on the new you, and it reminds me of some of the old behaviors that that I now recognize that just don't fit. And that at one point they were comfortable and they, you know, I was comfortable in those behaviors, and now even though sometimes they show up, sometimes way more often than I want them to, I'm no longer comfortable in them.

SPEAKER_02:

You need to get those to goodwill. Actually, you don't, you need to go bury them in the back pasture.

SPEAKER_00:

Those are uh torture, tortuble.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. Let's still put them on the burn pile.

SPEAKER_00:

But it it is uh pretty exciting, and I'm so incredibly proud of the work that you've put in. And I tell you this, and I know it's hard to hear, but you are such an inspiration in your grit and how you um how you focus and are disciplined and persevere through the struggles of a completely new eating plan and exercise plan and and seeing yourself in a different way. It's it is uh very inspirational to uh to watch and to be close to. And so I'm very proud of you.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's been a it's been a journey for sure. And it's it's a process of um I still see myself as you know three sizes bigger than I am today. And when I yesterday when I brought I bought some jeans, some new jeans, and I brought them home, and my daughter's like, oh, let me see him, let me see him. So I put them on. She goes, Yeah, you need a smaller size. I'm like, what? This and it's that mental shift that has yet to really happen, I guess.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Because I haven't I've gotten rid of my larger, large, I want to say fatty, fat. Oh, well, I just said it, fatty, fat, fat clothes. And but I've held on to this one size that I've known for 20 years.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and you still see that person in the mirror. You you it's hard to see the new you in the mirror.

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, and what here's what so here's what I did this week when we went Monday and we did our scans. We go every Monday and we do what's called a um fire and ice. So we go in the sauna for 30 minutes and then we go into the cryo chamber and climb Mount Everest and freeze for three and a half minutes on extreme. And it it is so good for the body. And then afterwards, I hope that I have sweated out, and then the cryo chamber has shrunk with the majority of my fat cells. That when I step on this scan and it scans my body and gives me my measurements and weight, that oh, I am magically, you know, just thin. And it hasn't shown that yet. However, what this does have is a comparison. And I I did a side-by-side and it it shows you standing there, not like a picture of, but it it's a very real rendering of you standing there and just your skivvies. And so as I look at the before at when we started back in April and to just Monday when we just did that, there is a visible difference there, and so using that, you know, as a as my plumb line, okay. I can go, wow. And it shows me how many inches I've lost and and all of the things you know, you do it as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, mine hasn't changed in three years. I'm not kidding.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_00:

That's good. I'm glad, I'm glad for that. But you are well, I'm I'm I'm glad it hasn't gone up.

SPEAKER_02:

Because it it that could relate to your emotional journey as well.

SPEAKER_00:

If only there were a scan that could show you the you know, gaping holes in your emotional and spiritual journey. Oh, yeah, I need to work on that.

SPEAKER_02:

You know what?

SPEAKER_00:

It's called relationship, right?

SPEAKER_02:

And here's here's something that I read the other day. A man sets the tone of a relationship, and a woman reflects what he gives. If he's steady, consistent, and intentional, she feels safe and cherished and connected. However, if he's distant or careless, she withdraws. Questions, asks a lot of questions, and struggles to trust. A woman thrives in love, not in uncertainty. And she shouldn't have to beg for reassurance, she should see and feel it in how he shows up daily. When a man leads with love and stability, and I'm gonna add in safety, he unlocks the most devoted version of her. And that type of love really does um, I think, invoke in us as a woman, if we're not just some hard-hearted, you know, rear, it will, if we're in relationship with God, if we're um walking our uh path of becoming uh more holy, becoming closer to God, becoming like Jesus, that as a man that shows up like that, we are wired to respond positively and give you everything your heart desires in a relationship. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um yeah, I I I have um seen that certainly read that a lot. Uh I don't know exactly who this quote was from, but Pinterest.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I don't know actually, honestly, where I got it from.

SPEAKER_00:

Um but the the concept is or the the spiritual truth in that is right there. I mean it's right there in scripture. It it's so it's not really refutable. It's hard to live it out sometimes, um through our woundedness and stubbornness and pride. And you know, I certainly have all three of those in spades. Um but you know, it's sometimes it's hard to to I say hard. It is the decision to go first sometimes that you know that's what leadership is, it's going first. And so and then in a scenario I'm guessing that most of our listeners would be in, like we're in, where there's a history, a significant history of pain, significant pain, um that makes that rate receptivity so much more challenging, and it makes the leadership so much more um important and also more um I would say more challenging because knowing that you're coming from a place, at least for me, knowing that I'm coming from a place of such unhealth and such broken and woundedness that and the place of delivering so much pain, it's it's it is hard to reach out in tenderness and experience the inevitable pullback of fear because of pain in the past. And so navigating that, being strong and courageous in that is uh not a it is a I won't say it's I won't describe it, it's a it's a reality that if you're somebody that's sitting in a position and you've wounded your spouse, um it takes extra courage and effort to reach out and it takes a lot longer than you might think of consistency, especially when you've blown it over and over and over. Um it it will take a lot more effort than you think and probably more than you think you have in you at times. At least that's been my journey. That I don't know, you know, there's so many days that I ask myself, do I have what it takes to do this? Do I really have what it takes to love you in the way that you deserve to be loved that I want to love you? And my conclusion on almost every day is no, I don't. Um, but if I can just get out of the way and let the Holy Spirit love you through me and do my part in that, it's not to say that I can just step to the side. Um but if I can come alongside or allow the Holy Spirit to come alongside me and empower me to love you, then on those days I I don't still don't have what it takes, but I have access to what it takes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I uh I was doing a devotion, I think it was last week, and one thing I read in that, I think it was in this devotion, it might have been in some website I was reading, was having limitations is not a sin. It's the reality of being human. Right? We're human. I mean, think about this Jesus wrapped in flesh. He took a nap on a boat and was sleeping in the world. Because he was tired. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. He sat down by a well because he was tired, yeah, and thirsty. Yeah, and he went away to quiet places that he got away from everybody, including the disciples.

SPEAKER_03:

He's like, Y'all driving me crazy. I gotta go, I gotta go talk to my dad.

SPEAKER_02:

God wrapped in flesh limited himself to what we are today, and how is it that we struggle so hard with this life? How is it that we are so afraid of everything? Why are we so afraid of seeking healing for our brokenness? If we don't heal what's broken, we're gonna bleed on people who didn't hurt us. And anyone who comes to try to help us.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, when you broke your foot a couple weeks ago, for well, we're coming up on five weeks now. Yeah, uh, there was blood. And we had figuring out where is this blood coming from? Because I'm not seeing anything until I saw the your toe. Turn down the volume because I'm about to describe the yeah, your whatever that second toe blown out underneath your foot, and then you know, oh my gosh, we've got to get that treated, right? Right. And we so we go and get it treated, and then for the next week or two, you know, we're wrapping it. We have to for 10 days you had stitches, you got five lovely stitches in there, broken. You know, we have to go see the you have to go see the ortho dude for the bone make sure.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it had to be us. It was weird because I had to drive you. I couldn't drive.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Next time hit the left, hit the left, but hopefully there won't be one.

SPEAKER_00:

Next time I'll have boots on.

SPEAKER_02:

There you go. And you know, we took care of that. It was a visible wound. Right. The wounds that we carry emotionally are not visible until we behave in a certain way that'll then allow whoever's watching us to go, oh, oh my. Because I know it happened to you, and I'm to the point, what is wrong with you? Seriously, dude, my gracious. This can't still be inflicting to where then you inflict on me. I mean, you know, you're bleeding all over me, and so we cared for that, right? And you're just now being able to drive, and that's been four and a half long weeks, and it so represented or gave a great example of the pain that we carry. And I asked you the other day, I'm like, dude, that's been four weeks ago. Why are you still limping? Why does it still hurt? What's going on? And you know what we saw on the x-ray? That bone is still broken, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And there's another one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

We that he found more, so he goes, it's calcifying, it's healing, but that you could clearly see that crack is still there. I mean, that bone is the it's and yet I can't see it with my eyes looking at your foot, right? Because it's covered by skin. And so it was a great example of um these past years of I mean uh getting the message that I shouldn't be hurting.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

And and so I would say to you, well, you shouldn't be hurting that bad. It's it's a toe. It's actually three toes in the ball of your foot or something, anyways. It's but you know, it it's the you shouldn't be hurting that bad. Why are you still putting a pillow up to keep the covers off of that? It it you should be healed by now. Why aren't you healed? And it was really a sarcastic, if you will. I was trying to make a point to you that healing does not come quickly, right? And it's not a given if you don't have help.

SPEAKER_00:

And take care of it.

SPEAKER_02:

Address it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And follow the instructions.

SPEAKER_02:

What is that? Say more about that.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I haven't been a very good patient uh for most of my life. In this particular case, I'm really working to be a good patient. Oh try to, you know it goes back and and one of the things that I realized is you know, it's it is uh if you're faithful with little, then you can be trusted with much. And it seemed like a Little thing to be faithful to being a good patient in this foot issue. But I've really tried to be a good patient because I'm trying to do one of the quotes that I wrote down from one of the books that I read recently. This is a business book. But one of the quotes was the way you do one thing is the way you do everything. And it was really impactful to me. And so I took that kind of to heart as it relates to this foot and healing it and trying to establish some beach head in my soul, in my spirit, of being humble, of being open to not knowing everything, and to just listen to good counsel and heed it. And allow the care that I needed, even though my pride didn't want to be cared for. Just all these little things in this one experience that I've really tried to take to heart and implement because these are the lessons that I'm learning in my life. And it uh crystallized or synthesized in this experience with my foot. And you know, developing empathy and recognizing that you know this journey many of the people that are listening are on. And you know, yeah, it's a foot, but it's also easily applicable to our emotional wounds and the wounds that we give each other, and and um so it's just been one of those things that I just have made a decision to change that part of me that I don't like, that character flaw that says I know everything. I don't need to wear the boot, or you know, I wore the boot all the way up to the last day. If you think about it, there's not one day up until Monday that I didn't wear the boot. If we went somewhere, I wore the boot no matter how painful. Monday was the first day, knowing that I was going back to the doctor on Tuesday and how good it was feeling. Monday was the first day that I actually wore regular shoes when we went um to cryo.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I am a little chagrined to say that I didn't even notice that.

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't, yeah, I know, I guess and I knew we were going grocery shopping afterwards, and it's so painful to do all that walking with the boot. And like I said, I knew I had been doing better and how it was feeling. I felt pretty good about the outcome of the the ortho visit on Tuesday. So sure that was the first day out of the whole four weeks since this happened, or four and a half weeks, that I wasn't in the boot, following the instructions, doing the things that I was supposed to do.

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm. Wow. Um, you know, I said I was I'm a bit chagrined, and then as I thought about it more, um I'm uh the uh the truth is I didn't notice because I have chosen to um detach from whatever the heck you're doing, if you will. I have heightened spidey senses looking for different things, watching for lying, watching for gaslighting, watching for um inconsideration, disrespect, things like that, um, words not matching actions, actions not matching words. And so to protect myself, and this is a season I realized I'm in a season of a lot of past trauma that we have yet to talk about, really. I mean, my gosh, there is so much that it's gonna take 10 seasons of this podcast to talk it all out, which is good because I don't know when else do we talk. We had a great chat in the car the other day. Uh, but yeah, it's this was September was a hard month. I'm coming up on October, which I had another huge betrayal, not related to you, happen, I think, in uh was either the end of October or first of November, somewhere around in there, the same year of D Day. And so I I have within a one-year time span, four or five major life events that happened, along with your continued trickle out admissions, continued lying, continued just uh yeah, running, running, running, running. Um, I'd call it acting a fool. And so um once I realize these things, I'll give myself grace and go, you know what, it's okay, it's valid. It is valid to have these things. Um, the body keeps the score, and I I don't get to determine what um what my body remembers and doesn't remember. Even if my mind, I can take the thoughts and go, wait a second, what's the truth? The body still remembers. And that's just science. That's how God created us. I think I believe it it takes time. I think I can recover and it can get better. And I I know it if I do my work, it will get better. But I have to not just poo-poo it away. You have to face um, there's a guy, Ed Welts, and he made this statement on his blog that said, we can't do much about our problems until we accurately identify them. So if I don't recognize what's going on inside me and think back to, wait a second, oh, well, that makes sense because on September 24th, this happened. Well, on September 20th, this happened. September 4th, this. Of course. Well, that makes sense. Okay, so how how can this year, how can you redeem those hurts this year? What can be different? What can um what can I do to set a different tone? To not allow the past to dictate what I'm going to think, say, and do. Now that doesn't negate what my body feels at the time, but it will help that and help it to um I think heal and and get better.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And ultimately we have the choice, no matter what, no matter what our feelings are telling us, we have the choice in how we act those out. And that's the hard part, is these patterns, you know, and I'll speak for myself. Um I developed a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and patterns of reacting and and relating, and they just became automatic habits. And so, yeah, are they hard to break? Oh man. Incredibly hard to break. But just because I understand why I do it doesn't justify the fact that I do it. And um the there may be a a hundred percent valid reason for it, but if it's wrong, it's still wrong. And you know, that's the that's the part of the whole conversation that is hard to own for me most of the time, is okay, my reaction was bad. That's my that's on me. That was my choice. I chose to react that way. It not because I couldn't help myself. And so that's uh, you know, that's hard to own, but as I've learned to own it more and more, I've become increasingly better at responding the way that I want to rather than reacting.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I I will just come in and say it's not always a choice. I didn't choose to be betrayed. I didn't choose to get PTSD and CPTSD from years of abuse that when D-Day hit, it scrambled my literally scrambled my brain. And I did things that were absolutely out of the realm of my who I am.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

That wasn't my choice.

SPEAKER_00:

When we're overwhelmed by grief or pain, yeah, absolutely. I I'm not talking about those kinds of moments. I'm okay. Yeah, I'm talking about just our everyday reaction to um our how we re respond to our feelings as they get out of control or help or try to take us out of control.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. Yep. Well, we are pushing up. Oh Lord, we are uh way past our time limit that I wanted to uh be set at. So in in light of the questions, where are you these days, John? Um we're in September of 2025. What's going on in your heart? Just in like four to five sentences.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

I am learning to be at peace with where I am because of who I am and because of who loves me.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, you did that in lesson five. Good job. Good job.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, there's obviously a lot under all that, but right.

SPEAKER_02:

And well, and I hope that we delve into more of that um in season two as we keep peeling back our life and just how we're well, I want to say crawling through this journey of um I don't want restoration. I want newness. I want to be made new, I want a new relationship. Um, I want you to be new, and that's not easily done.

SPEAKER_00:

It's impossible in ourselves. But you know it is absolutely possible as we grow together and and help each other. I mean, that's the the places of our journey that we've really grown, I think, are the places that we've been able to come together on.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and well, that's a whole conversation for a whole nother thing. Because I could, yeah, I'm just not going to. We'll we'll conclude on that. And yeah, because it's rare that at in these at this stage that I I am I really push back on um agreement with you on certain certain things, on foundational, on well, even on biblical things. We even interpret scripture differently. So, you know, and that's fine, as iron sharpens iron, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And the thing is, you know, it's you know, Gottman and many of almost all of the others, you always attack the problem, not the person. So, okay, let's debate the whatever the topic is, doesn't mean that I think you're wrong as a person or even your your perspective. It's just I'm looking at it from a different angle from my angle. And you know, the analogy would be if you're standing in the front yard looking at something, and I'm standing in the backyard looking at something, we can both see it, but we're seeing it from completely different angles, but it's the same thing, and so we're describing the exact same thing that we're seeing from different angles, and we can agree that it's the same, and we're just seeing it from a different angle. But our history, certainly mine, is that I demand that you see it from my perspective, yeah. And you're not seeing it from my perspective, right? You're seeing it from the front yard, and I'm seeing it from the back. It's impossible for you to see it from my perspective.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, and I will I'll admit a lot of times I choose to not. Because that is just something that it that's an issue, and you know, well, I'll put that as one of the topics in season two about why do I push back on uh it's a trust. It's trust, it's yeah, there's a whole it's hurt, it's just hurt.

SPEAKER_00:

Not just trust. Broken trust comes from hurt, dude.

SPEAKER_02:

We don't have time to disagree on something.

SPEAKER_00:

We're not gonna wrap it up. I'm just saying the foundation of it is hurt. Okay, it's it's a it's what it's a wound.

SPEAKER_02:

Correct. Do you feel good? You're you're good, John. You're right, John. You're right.

SPEAKER_00:

Where's that applause button?

SPEAKER_02:

Right. Oh, I have it. I'm sure somewhere over here. Y'all, thank you for joining us this season. We uh we so appreciate you bearing with our our uh gosh, humanness. And uh we hope that you will join us next season as we come back. We're gonna take a couple weeks off. So there won't be um, we usually are posting every two weeks. There'll be a break, and then we'll come back uh hopefully stronger for season two, somewhere around the end or maybe beginning of October-ish, somewhere around in there.

SPEAKER_00:

And we'll and we'd love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe if you're kind.

SPEAKER_00:

If you've you know topics that you want us to talk about, um, you know, comments, questions. We'd just love to hear what this is why are you lit, why are you listening and what are you getting out of it?

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Yeah. That's good. Very good. Well, John, thanks for uh showing up tonight. Um I want to leave y'all with Psalm 18.2, and this is coming out of the New Living Translation. The Lord is my rock, my fortress, and my savior. My God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield and the power that saves me and my place of safety. Oh my goodness, y'all. God is a place of safety. Thank you for sharing your time with us. We appreciate you. We love you. Be blessed. Thank you for taking the time to listen today. Remember, you are more than what happened to you. We'd be honored to come alongside and guide you on your healing journey. Connect with us at www.hurtmeetshealer.com. Until next time. God bless.

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