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When You Choose You, You Lose Me - part 2

• Kim Capps • Season 2 • Episode 2

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“When you choose you, you lose me” is a hard sentence to hear—and a necessary one to explore. We unpack how selfish patterns, secrecy, and transactional bargains corrode love after betrayal, and why safety-focused boundaries are not punishment but the first scaffolding of repair. From raw personal stories to faith-grounded principles, we trace the slow work of rebuilding trust day by day, drop by drop.

We dig into the difference between self-care and self-centeredness, especially in the wake of sexual addiction or infidelity. The betrayed partner needs protective space; the betraying partner often misreads that space as rejection and withdraws. We reframe boundaries as signals for safety, not walls for distance. Then we get practical: how to replace defensiveness with curiosity, how to offer empathy without centering yourself, and how to establish predictable accountability that lowers anxiety and stops the cycle of wound, promise, repeat.

You’ll hear a vivid metaphor for change—plowing fallow ground. Trust won’t grow in hardened soil. It takes repeated passes: honest disclosure, consistent transparency, and small daily acts that demonstrate care without keeping score. We also face a hard truth about timelines: the distance into deception often equals the distance out. Slower is safer, because slower sticks. Action proves love, consistency proves trust, and change proves sorry.

If you’re navigating betrayal trauma or working to rebuild after breaking trust, this conversation offers clarity, language, and next steps. Tap into group support and trauma-informed coaching, align your actions with your values, and practice empathy that heals rather than explains. Subscribe, share with someone who needs hope today, and leave a review with one takeaway you’ll put into practice this week.

Thank you for listening! For more information about us and the services we offer, visit www.hurtmeetshealer.com.

Intro & Outro music written, performed, and produced by Kim Capps.


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SPEAKER_01:

Hi, and welcome to the Hurt Meets Healer Podcast. I'm Kim Caps, your host and president of Hurt Meets Healer LLC, a business tree, business plus ministry that was created to help individuals and couples for walking through the devastating impact of sexual addiction and infidelity. Thanks for joining me today. Hey y'all, welcome. Welcome back to season two, episode two, titled When You Choose You, You Lose Me, part two. I guess who's here? Guess who's back?

SPEAKER_00:

Good evening. Whoa! Good afternoon.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, we record in the evening. That's just part of our little because we work. So um, yeah, our life is filled with wonderment and work. Yes. Between ranch and actual day jobs. So you can say good evening.

SPEAKER_00:

I like good afternoon as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. From the good afternoon. Okay, we're not gonna get into that. So uh missed you when I recorded part one of this, I know you were fighting a uh tax return. Oh so sorry about that. And now I am fighting major allergy. So if I go quiet and John just takes over, well, I'm probably snee you'll probably hear me sneezing in the background because uh unless it gets really bad, I just don't edit. I don't have the time, I don't have the capacity. And so you get us live, real in the flesh as we are. And uh yeah, that's just how how I'm gonna roll it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and hopefully we'll try to be in the spirit more than we're in the flesh.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, Church John. Thank you. Appreciate that. So I have a couple questions for you since um I uh rolled the first one. Alone. I was all alone. What do you think about uh when so when you first heard these words, and by the way, I I don't I can't remember seeing this anywhere. I think this is an original, Kim. When you choose you, you lose me. Man, I so want that to be an original. But well, as we know, there's nothing new under the sun, so it's probably not original to me. In this house it is, though. What do you think about? What uh not what do you think about, what are your thoughts about that sentence, that phrase?

unknown:

Pause.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's there's uh there's a lot there. Um I mean there's there's the reality of of uh selfishness and self-centeredness and you know it's it's a hard it's a hard saying to wrap my head around most of the time. And so I've struggled with that a lot. Just uh you know, just getting my head wrapped around it.

SPEAKER_01:

What what's what's hard about when you choose you, you lose me.

SPEAKER_00:

It's it's just a it's just a hard thing for me to get my head around.

SPEAKER_01:

So Okay, that that's really not answering my question.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I really don't know how to answer the question. That's the I mean it's just it's one of those um Well let's see if we can't help figure it out, maybe we have a few minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's see what what is hard about well let let's take us out of the equation. What if we're talking with a couple and um their selfishness? Not now I wanted I I really want to um ah I really want to overexplain it. I'm gonna attempt to not, I'm really working to not do that. When when a a partner is betrayed, there is a protection that goes into place that isn't is it it can appear as selfishness, and I think for a time it needs to be a little not selfish, it needs it it, I think it has to be caring for self.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's got to be some focus on healing your yourself, right? Right, sure. And and uh, you know, it was hard for me to wrap my head around this whole concept. It it's easier to think about, you know, um it it's the same thought to me that you you can't steal second with one foot on first. And you have to commit and you have to let go of something, and in this case, your own selfishness, my own selfishness, to be able to reach for something better and something that you want more. So if I'm on first and I want to be on second more, then I want to be on first. Um, I have to be willing to risk letting go of what I've got and chasing what I want.

SPEAKER_01:

Or what if it's something that you're lacking that you need to develop? And it could be a both and like uh like the lack of empathy, yeah, the lack of understanding, the lack of curiosity. There's you know, there's a lot, and I wonder if those come along because you are so focused on self. Because that's what happens when we focus on ourselves, we lose any kind of care concern for anyone else, pretty much, unless they will give us something in return. Quid pro quid pro quo. I can't ever say that right. Quid pro quo tit for tat is what we down here in the south. That's what I see. And so I'll do this for you if you do this for me. I'll care for you, but I'm gonna see you care for me first. I'll do this for you only after you do this for me. And it's boy, that is a relationship killer, by the way. Quid pro quo.

SPEAKER_00:

And that's that is Western culture at its finest, um, or transactional, uh, but you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that is our marriage.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, it it is that's how it's been, yeah, and our relationship. And it's been difficult. Um it's been challenging to find a new way to just to really, and this is really something that God's been working on me in that um simply love. I mean, that is my command. Love. And that that is so hard to um at times to just love expecting nothing in return, to give expecting nothing in return. And it is a big mind shift for me because that's not how I've been.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that scares me a lot. That it's hard for you to just love.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it's it's hard to it's it's hard to be a different to live a different way. It's hard to it's it's hard to let go of the old ways and learn and embrace new ways. And and it's you've probably heard me say before, I don't like change. And even when it's good change, it's hard for me to process through that, and but I'm learning slowly that it's worth it to go through the pain of change. Right. And slowly.

SPEAKER_01:

Gosh, no flipping kidding, like slug. We're on the slug. We're gonna take the slug train. That's the that's the course we want to be on. We don't want the Concord one or the bullet train. No, we want slug. Yeah, said no one ever.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. I want to be on the bullet train.

SPEAKER_01:

I gave an example the other night in uh my group that I've been on, I haven't been on a I didn't start this year on a weight loss journey. My uh I kind of changed not kind of, I morphed it. Uh I started the year with a huge infection in my. I thought it was a sinus infection. And uh I I well, I actually thought it was a tooth at first, and then the dentist said, I don't see any infection there, it's probably a sinus infection because it's right where the sinus sits on top of the gum, blah, blah, blah. So she treated it as a sinus infection. It while I was taking antibiotics for like 10 days, it felt better. And then, like two days off, it all came back. And so her saying it's not a tooth, it's a sinus infection. I saw my primary care. And he said, All right, well, that first round of antibiotics didn't work. I'm gonna give you another round of this time heavier stuff. Yeah, and here's by the way, you can't do not eat this while you're taking, do not drink this while you're taking. You will throw up. I'm like, oh great, okay. So, and the other part of it is it was so painful. I couldn't, it was hurting my jaw from my temple all the way down to behind my ear and along my jawline. It was just so painful, and so I was just not eating, I was drinking protein shakes, and uh I went out and found anything that had protein that was soft that I could get down.

SPEAKER_00:

Protein water, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Protein water, protein yogurt, whatever it had protein in it, but it not food, unless somebody could chew it up, and even at the Saturday night life's cute, baby beard. Anywho, so I digress. So for three months of this year, I battled what ended up being a very bad infection at the root of a tooth, one of the molars in my in the upper part of my mouth. And it ended up abscessing into the roof of my mouth. And there was at one point, I just I told John, I just want to go lay in the pasture and let the ants eat me. I I would prefer to do that. This pain hurts so bad. And I think that was even after the first part of the root canal because she had to go in there twice and she couldn't get it numb enough. And it's nothing like having needles stuck in the roof of your mouth. It is fabulous. I don't recommend it ever. Um, but it took three months to, and four rounds of antibiotics, a lot of sleepless nights and pain and suffering. However, in the process, um, they figured out it wasn't sinus, it was that tooth. They got it, I think, fixed. Well, we'll see. Um, but I'd begun to lose weight, and I thought, hey, okay, you know what? I probably, after all this, need to go get some blood work done. So I went to who's now my um medical advisor, nurse practitioner, and they did a full blood panel, and that's where I found out my thyroid and hormones were everything, you know, things were out of whack. And so get that on track, and I begin to actually continue to lose weight while I'm still not eating because they haven't put the crown on, it still hurts, and I'm so afraid of the pain coming back, right? So I instituted boundaries that I no nuts, nothing hard, nothing. I will not put myself in a position of pain like that again. And I am high on high alert for anything that will cause that pain. And I'm just absolutely giving a big no, not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent. So um fast forward to today, where I now sit 51 pounds lighter than I was January 1 of this year. And I don't do that for applause.

SPEAKER_00:

It no, I'm applauding because I know all the hard work that went into it, and I'm extraordinarily proud of you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was hard work to not go lay in the field and let the ants eat me a lot. It was very painful, very painful. The result though, I like the result right now of where my body, mostly of where my body is. There's some skin, saggy stuff that you know, it's gonna take time. It's gonna take time to, I don't know, suck it up, cupcake. I don't know what it's called for it to adjust back to the way we were. And I I say that, I tell you that story because it so parallels the betrayal trauma journey, where it starts with this massively painful event. And just like my betrayal story, it wasn't just one. It was trickle out, it was death by a thousand stab wounds. And um, just like this tooth thing, there were I'm I'm going to get help. I'm going to the professionals. They're telling me, nope, it's not that, it's this. Same with the it's not that, it's this. And oh my goodness. Finally get to somebody who knows what the heck they're doing. And she's this endodontist, uh, oral surgeon. And, you know, she's like, no, this is not supposed to be this way, this is not supposed to hurt. This is not, we're just gonna take it slow and steady. Something that I hadn't heard any other medical professional that I'd been to this year say. And then I find my functional medicine people, and they do the same thing. They're like, we're gonna do one step at a time. We're gonna see how it adjusts one step at a time. That is very similar to our betrayal recovery journey. And it's I am still highly sensitive to less than I was. So imagine if I'm still highly sensitive, how much highly, highly, highly sensitive, more sensitive I was prior to today. I'm very sensitive to um boundary. Uh what are those called? Boundary violations, thank you. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's a familiar word for me because I've um incurred so many of them.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Perpetrated Yeah, and I want to, I want to get to I have a couple questions for you over there, too. So bear with me. So even today, I can touch the roof of my mouth where the abscess was the worst of the pain. And it's still, there's still a funky feeling up there. And they said it's gonna take time. The teeth have to adjust to the new crown, the this, the that. You know, you had a big time infection up there, and there's probably scar tissue, there's probably this or that, and it's just gonna take time for it to get back to normal if it ever does get back to normal. I, you know, and so do I have to live like this the rest of my life? Oi, I don't know. Same with this betrayal trauma thing. Is John the nut that hits my tooth just right and cracks it? Is is you know, are your boundary violations, not you? Those things that send that pain back radiating, yeah. I would say yes, yes, they are. And so because of our history and the uh many violations of boundaries, I got to a point that I just said, you know what? I I'm I'm just done fighting this. I'm done. The horse is dead, dismount. And I'm hopping off. If you want to sit there and let it crush your legs, have at it. I'm done. I'm walking, and I'm gonna find something new, and I'm gonna find something better for me. And I believe, and from your telling me that you viewed that as rejection of you. And I think that you have viewed my boundaries, the boundaries that I've had as rejection of you. What's what's what say you on that?

SPEAKER_00:

Sometimes. Um and some of them and some of the ways that they're that they've been either applied or explained or whatever, um, I have absolutely taken it that way as a rejection of me rather than say my behavior or attitude or whatever. And you know, that's been a that's been a journey for me as well to separate. And it's it's been a matter of learning and embracing and coming to understand that I am not what I have done. Um but I I definitely have done some very hurtful things. And to to make sure to own that and not distance myself from the fact that I actually did those hurtful things when I'm trying to remember that even though I did those hurtful things, that's not who I am. And that's been the struggle in my between my ears and from my head to my heart, is because you know, I'm extraordinarily emotionally self-aware, as we all know. And so that's been the challenge, and that was very uh sarcastic tongue in cheek, um, because I am not um self-aware very much at all. Um, so that was uh very much an exaggerated sarcasm. Um that's been a struggle for me to really wrap my head around that and sit in the pain of what I've actually done and not at the same time not own what I have done as my identity. And man, that's been hard. And I have not done that well. I have not done that well at all. And so I I would reject the rejection because I was I was fighting for my identity and not recognizing that I had to own my actions and and be okay that with the facts that I of the things that I had done, at the same time not allowing that to become my identity. So that's been uh that's a journey that I'm still on, obviously. Um but it's at least becoming clearer to me, and and I'm more able to separate those two in the moment than I ever have been. And to acknowledge my painful, hurtful, sinful actions at the same time um recognizing that that that's not who I am. It is absolutely what I did. And the better I am at keeping both of those things in mind, the more able I am to honor your boundaries and what's really behind them, which is your desire to be safe and loved and cared for and and respected and honored and all of those things.

SPEAKER_01:

So of course, um I have a million questions.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So the first one is if that's not who you are, what prevents you from showing up as who you are? Why are you not showing up? That's not your your identity, you say that's not who I am. But that's how you show up. So if that's not who you are, if that's not your identity, where's the person? Where's that where's that identity showing up for me?

SPEAKER_00:

Good question. It it is still emerging. My my new identity is still emerging. And and it is um the snail, the slug process.

SPEAKER_01:

The toetus.

SPEAKER_00:

I I you know it's the it's the um caterpillar inside the chrysalis. There's a whole lot of stuff going on that's just not able to be seen.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, maybe that's our problem because I don't speak caterpillar language. You can't speak butterfly language with a caterpillar.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So that's the I mean I I so wish it were faster. And I think that I'm gaining momentum. It's just, you know, it's it's been uh it's it's it's like we've we've had a few cars we had to push over the years, and that first trying to get them started and rolling was really hard, especially if the brakes were on and pushing like crazy and the emergency brakes on. For a while I've had my emergency brake on or had it on and didn't even realize it, and so I'm pushing like crazy, and I realize, you know, as I get further into recovery and into the journey that I had the brakes fully on in certain areas that I was still blinded to, and so that really caused me to um not make the progress that I really wanted to make.

SPEAKER_01:

Hmm. Boy, there's a big old can of worms right there. I'm just gonna let it sit there for a minute and simmer. So would you what do you think about um boundaries as it relates to um do you view boundaries when you view boundaries as rejection, does that block healing?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, because I for for me that's one of my core issues is rejection. And so I really draw back or withdraw in the face of that, and so it really is not helpful for my healing, and certainly not helpful for me helping you heal. And as I'm as I'm learning and and growing in empathy, um at again, slug pace, um, it's a slug fest tonight. What I'm realizing is that you know, like I said a few minutes ago, it's the boundaries are an attempt to f to get those things that you need and and desire honor and respect and and those are and and so when I s when I can view them that way, I'm able to respond in love and care. And in order for me to do that, I have to take and I guess it goes all the way back to the topic or the title. I have to stop choosing me and choose you.

SPEAKER_01:

Well like Philippians 2. Oh. Don't be selfish, don't try to impress others. Oh Lord, here comes a here's a trigger word. Are you ready? Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don't look out for only for your own interest, take an interest in others too. And you know, I think in today's language, what what that would say be curious, listen to gain understanding. Don't you know sit back and and just be curious about things. After all, uh I love what Henry Cloud says. He's he's He has a quote that says, Trust isn't built in a day. Trust is built day by day.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm. And there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot of trust building, um you know, that needs to happen. And gosh, it's so easy, you know. I think it was I don't know who said it. I I heard Jimmy Evans say it. I'm sure many people have said it. But trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets.

SPEAKER_01:

And well, you you can't repair trust that keeps getting broken. If it if I mean holy moly, I mean, that's just it in a nutshell, you can't heal in a relationship that keeps reopening the same wounds or keeps stabbing you over and over again. And it's not necessarily, it's not about forgiving. It's about creating an environment where you don't have to recover from the same pain, the same lying, the same hiddenness. If you're constantly and consistently being hurt and then being told, Oh, I'll never do it again. You're reassured for the same behavior. That doesn't help heal anything. It's a cycle, it's a toxic cycle.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and there's hard to break. Yeah, it is hard to break. Because our our patterns, you know, my patterns didn't didn't come overnight, just just like the trust thing. Um patterns are built day by day and and they're difficult to dismantle, um because the grooves are pretty deep, you know. At my age, thankfully, you're much younger than me. Um but at my age, you know, those grooves are pretty deep. And so that's where I I'm beginning to become more aware of how powerless I am to make those changes on my own. And so that's been um the the more I recognize that the easier the change has become and so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm I'm just watching, you know? I'm I'm watching to see the difference. I'm watching for a change in pattern, and there's a difference between a mistake and a repeated pattern of behavior that's formed horrible habits. And when I see repeated patterns, I mean, that's not okay with me. It's not that do I talk about the past? Yeah, but it's not why do I talk about the past? Because I'm seeing a repeated pattern, and that pattern is not okay with me. A repeated pattern of hiddenness, a repeated pattern of lying, a repeated pattern of defensiveness, a repeated pattern of blame, a repeated pattern of I'm just gonna go make these decisions, you know, and you just deal with it, Kim. A repeat it just repeated patterns. And so that takes me back to all these instances in the past of oh my gosh, this is just not, this is not getting any better. It's not getting any better. And you talked about love earlier. Love needs action. Trust needs proof, and sorry needs change. These patterns of um behaviors, that's I I I think as I've been become curious about okay, what's going on? Am I you know, is it is it actually this event? Is it no, because there's been thousands of those same events. What is it? It's the pattern, it's the repeated pattern. That's what is um very hard to overcome. To well say to overcome, I don't have to overcome it. I my choice is um I I get to create or I get to have healthy boundaries for myself of what's gonna provide me safety. And I think emotional maturity, and someone else said this better than me. Emotional maturity is accepting that no amount of explaining will make someone self-aware. Like there hasn't been one day that you've gone, you know, Kim, that 10-minute diatribe that you just laid on me, I'm a different man. I am healed, I am whole. I see you laughing over there. And it that's not how it works. Because if you haven't done your work, and if you're unwilling to sit with your own pain, you'll you don't know how to handle mine. You just deflect mine. And you you can't earn, I can't earn empathy from you if you don't have the capacity to give it. If you haven't built your empathy muscle, how in the world are you ever gonna empathize with me? If you don't even know what that is, where is that darn muscle anyway? So being emotional mature, which I I think I'm maybe at grade 10 on that, and I married a preschooler. Well, actually, not maybe a two-year-old, not even in preschool yet. I think that's where you started. It's like two years old. You can't, I mean you're well please disagree, whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's I I'm I'm still fairly um behind the curve on that.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I I married a two-year-old, right? We've been married 36 years. So I would hope you at least made it to three. I think you're like six.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm getting there. I'm starting to, I mean, and to your to your comment, I mean, our conversation at lunch today, I wouldn't call it a diatribe, but I did get value from what you shared. And I said so. I mean, that was really I was able to see myself a different way in that conversation.

SPEAKER_01:

I've said that same thing probably a hundred times.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And it's it's like um it's like the back pasture when when when and if the time comes for us to actually plow it all up and actually seed it, it's gonna have to be plowed dozens and dozens of times from different directions and angles to get all the stumps and rocks. And and that's what's been happening in my heart.

SPEAKER_01:

Is oh, that's a great analogy. Because I what two or three years ago, I was the one that went back there and mowed that, started the whole mowing process, and it had just grown. Oh, it was horrible. Yeah, it had grown up and grown.

SPEAKER_00:

And if we're ever gonna actually get rid of the mesquites and actually turn it into back into good pasture, it's gonna take a lot of plowing. And when you do that, when you're recovering fallow ground, it it requires multiple, multiple plows from every different angle before it's ready to take seed. And there's gonna be piles and piles of of stumps that are burned, and that'll have to get plowed in, and and that's what's been happening in my heart and in my emotional maturity is I really have been doing the work, and I know it doesn't show as much as either one of us would like for it to, but I'm seeing it in how I'm able to receive those kinds of things and actually hear it and see it, or to put it a different way, to see you, to hear you, and to actually understand you.

SPEAKER_01:

Hmm. Cool. Which what a great segue, a great um way to end this episode. And um because next on our episode number three, we're gonna be talking about faulty belief systems, and that leads right into how did that pasture back there get so overgrown? How did your you know, faulty belief systems that lead to, oh my gosh, so much pain and hurt and a whole bunch of cow crap. Yeah, struggle, struggle, struggle bus for sure. Yep, guys, I want to leave you with a couple little nuggets that uh I have discovered along the way that one is um that if it took you I I I you've probably you may have heard this before. If it takes you 10 miles to go in, it's gonna take you 10 miles to come out, to get out, 10 miles in, 10 miles out. So don't I I would really encourage you to lower that expectation bar that oh, we can do it in 12 months, 18 months, you know? Great if you can do that. Great. We're on the slug bus, the slow bus, the um allergy bus right now. But just kind of keep that in the back of your mind. If you've gone 20 years hiding from your wife, guess what, guys? You know you've been hiding. She has an inkling, but she doesn't know. All this stuff is pretty fresh for me in our marriage, considering the time that we've been married. And he's known all along, he's known for 20 years that he had an affair, almost 20 years, 17. He's known for a long time that he had an uh an issue with porn. He probably would have never called it an addiction, but he did have an addiction, and he's known that he had a problem with it. And yeah. So please, please reach out for help. There are some really great groups out there. We believe in living truth. The um great people over there, Michael and Kristen Carey, they are wonderful. They have groups available for men and women, um, as does Brave Hearts with uh Michael and Christine Leahy. They do wonderful work as well, and we refer them for group work off of our website, which is hurtmeetshealer.com. We also do um coaching mentoring with uh both sides, spouses and with couples. Reach out to us. You can shoot us an email info at hurtmeetshealer.com or contact us through our website as well. But guys, the bottom line is selfishness never bears fruit. Well, it it rots. The fruit that grows rots. It never bears the fruit that let me unmute you over there.

SPEAKER_00:

It never if only you had that in regular real life, right? Right. Mute it it never bears the fruit that you're hoping for. Right. Yep, it does bear fruit, it's just not the fruit that I ever wanted.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And those, you know, those unresolved issues, they they don't go away, they don't die, they just pile up, and something has to be done with them. So, guys, there is hope, there is healing. Heck, if John over here can change, my goodness, I would go out and say, Phew, so can you, because it has been a rough, rough ride watching and uh being a part of this journey. Um, however, I wouldn't be sitting here if I hadn't been on that journey. And so that that's a bonus, that's a plus. Um yeah, and I'll I'll take it. I hope that this episode speaks to you in more ways than when, and when you choose yourself, guys, you lose those around you. That's just the the realistic fact. Sin is never ever individualistic, it's always corporate, and it has an impact that's never just on you. So keep that in the back of your mind. And anything else, John, before I hit the button over here to wrap us up?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I'm glad to be back.

SPEAKER_01:

All right, awesome. We'll continue next time with Faulty Belief Systems. Y'all blessed to have you here. Thanks for listening. God bless you. Thank you for taking the time to listen today. Remember, you are more than what happened to you. We'd be honored to come alongside and guide you on your healing journey. Connect with us at www.hurtmeetshealer.com. Until next time. God bless.

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