Walking With An Emotional Limp

Betrayal trauma doesn’t fade because someone says “sorry” or quotes forgiveness. When trust gets shattered by infidelity and sexual betrayal, the fallout can look like grief, anxiety, insomnia, PTSD symptoms, shame, and a faith crisis that makes you question everything you thought was true. We call it walking with an emotional limp because you may function on the outside while every step still hurts on the inside.

We get honest about what actually blocks healing and what helps it begin. We use a broken toe story to make the point plain: wounds heal when they’re cared for, protected, and given time, and they do not heal while someone keeps re-injuring them. We also name the damage caused by gaslighting, DARVO, blame shifting, and “performance” recovery that looks good on paper but feels unsafe at home. If you’re trying to rebuild trust after betrayal, we talk about why transparency and consistent truth over time matter more than big promises.

We also share what supports long-term infidelity recovery for the betrayed partner: healthy boundaries, detaching when needed, verifying instead of blindly trusting, and healing in community so you’re not carrying this alone. And we end with a grounded hope rooted in faith, including a comforting reframing of “fear not” as God staying close, not shouting commands from a distance. If this resonates, subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more hurting spouses can find real help.

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Transcript

Welcome And Why We’re Here

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Hi, and welcome to the Heart Meets Healer Podcast. I'm Kim Caps, your host and president of Heart Meets Healer LLC, a business tree, business plus ministry that was created to help individuals and couples are walking through the devastating impact of sexual addiction and infidelity. Thanks for joining me today. Hello and welcome back. Welcome back. Hey John, what's going on over there?

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Oh, I'm here. I'm back.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I'm here. I'm back. Y'all today.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

I have a picture that I'm I look like Cotter.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Welcome back. Oh yeah, right. Oh my gosh. Some people may be too young to even know who Mr. Cotter was. Well, y'all, thanks for uh joining us on this episode.

Defining The Emotional Limp

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Today we are discussing walking with an emotional lamp. And when I say this, it's uh because betrayal trauma from uh infidelity, uh sexual betrayal in a marriage causes such profound emotional, psychological, physical, relational, and spiritual injuries. I mean, there is grief, there's shame, PTSD, uh, anxiety, insomnia, fatigue, my goodness, and on and on, trust issues, intimacy struggles, just even crisis of belief, faith crisis. So many things uh from betrayal. And I I I started saying this little thing, and that's why God said, Don't do it. Don't do it. It's uh it it yeah, never ends well. And healing is a process, it's it's a process, it takes time, and some some emotional injuries leave lasting effects that require even more time and a lot of effort and support to manage. Um so you got you anything to uh add to that?

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Yeah, I mean, healing is a journey and it's not a passive journey. It is uh requires a lot of work, and um just like if you injure yourself, you know, you have to do rehab physical therapy, even if you have surgery, you have to do physical therapy and um work out that healing. And it's you know emotional injuries require the same and perhaps even greater level of effort because you can't really see them. And it's hard to get sympathy from folks, you know. If you're in a cast or you're walking with crutches or you're in a wheelchair, and you know, it's easy to get sympathy, but you know, emotional injuries don't come with that, right? They come with a lot of suck it ups and get over it.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Mm-hmm. And

The Forgiveness Myth And Shame

SPEAKER_01 3:43

the church has done a really poor job of uh loving, loving women who have gone through this, even men. It's such a shame, uh a shame topic. And it's uh, well, forgive if you just forgive. If you you know, it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I have forgiven and forgiven and forgiven and forgiven. Uh you're not healed, it doesn't work. So, and by the way, we don't forgive for them to do anything, we forgive for us. So, how does forgiving help him stop acting out? How does me forgiving him stop him from lying? It doesn't so y'all who are out there teaching this BS, knock it off. It doesn't work, and it's not the truth. All right, now let me step down off my little platform and um yeah, so it's interesting that when so you recently what was like last uh last it was last year, the end of last year, it was before we took a trip, you broke your foot, your toes.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yes.

A Broken Toe As A Metaphor

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Um the self-inflicted injury at that, as most of mine are. So um if and it was very painful, right? We had to prop the sheets of the bed up. It was just you busted one of the toes, busted open, had to get stitched up, la la la, right? Yeah, very painful.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Five stitches.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

I it didn't hurt me a bit. You know, I didn't feel a thing. I felt sorry for you. You know, it was sad. Bless your heart. But you know what? I said, and I said this to you in jest, but I said, you know what, if you just forgive yourself, I bet your toes will heal. If you just forgive yourself, John, and then forget. Forget it even happened.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

I remember you did say that.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Did it work? No, ah, because the pain was causing you to remember it, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Yeah, still hurts today, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Oh, oh, fascinating, fascinating. And I see you limping every once in a while. You'll limp, yeah, because that there's um healing probably that's still happening in there. Tendons, I mean, there's all sorts of things in our bodies that we know not of. And so emotionally, how in the world do we expect those that have just been kicked in the proverbial lady balls to stand up from that and just walk it off, rub some dirt on it instead of surrounding them, and especially when you see all this list of things with they're dealing with grief, that I had to deal with shame. I was so ashamed, but I didn't even do, I didn't cause it, right? And yet I'm dealing with the shame, I'm having anxiety that now I know as a result of uh the lies and the uh blame shifting and Darvo and oh my gosh, gaslighting. Holy moly, you could teach a class in your highly um whatever days. You could really well, you know what? You probably don't have to because Satan does a really good job. Our humanness just some people just take off and run with it instead of um controlling themselves and disciplining themselves to go, you know what, that's probably not a healthy way to live. But knowing that this stuff takes time. Now,

Why Pain Still Shows Up

SPEAKER_01 8:06

I have some questions if you're open to me asking you some questions, because this may help some of our listeners out there. So if you forgave yourself and it continues to hurt even now, which I think it's more than six, seven months later, um how in the world did you or what said in you that it was okay to expect me to not feel pain by what you had done? I didn't even self-inflict my wounds. They were inflicted by you.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

So there's a difference there, but how how are you expecting me to not hurt even today? How are you expecting me or thinking? I don't know if you think it, I don't know what it is, but to me it appears that you believe I shouldn't be hurt by a lie, by a um non-communication, by a hidden uh event. What you just mentioned you it still hurts. Your foot still hurts. Even today, all this time later. So I mean, you got help, you got we took you that night. Got help, got stitched up, went to the ortho, got you know, some of the best best doctors out there. So what in you says that I shouldn't hurt?

unknown 10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

It's not a matter of shouldn't uh, you know, it's it's a matter of wishing that you weren't. And um, you know, I I think that I don't want you to hurt and I don't have an expectation that you won't hurt or that you shouldn't hurt. I just don't want you to hurt and I d I don't know I know early on I thought forgiveness would relieve the pain, but I didn't really understand at that point the depth of the pain that I had caused. Right. And so it was you know, I I didn't grasp the depth of it of it all and how difficult a position I had put you in.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Sure. Yep. Like this, um men say they want soft women. However, softness grows in safety. Did you know that? We become soft when we feel safe. So you can't ask for her to be gentle, you can't ask for me to be gentle while you're the reason I have to be tough.

unknown 11:45

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

So yeah. How um so how do we how long? How long, oh Lord? Paul asked, you know, for him to take the thorn away from him, and God said, My grace is sufficient. I don't like that answer. I don't like it at all. However, I will accept it. God's grace is sufficient, however, he gives us a brain too to know what to do. And um, if we would listen and and pay attention, I think that he knows and we do too, and our guts, man. We have such women, y'all's guts, men. I'm talking looking at John when I say y'all, horrible. You need like a spiritual probiotic. That's how bad y'all's guts are.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

We we have one.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

You need like three of them.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

That's why God said it's not good for men to be alone.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Domassopothilus. Take three of those. Anti. It kills that that bacteria.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

It's the Ezra conegdo, is what we need.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Yeah, but you've you you abandoned me early on in our marriage.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Yeah, we're afraid. I was afraid. I was afraid of that.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Okay, what's your excuse now?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Well, I'm still I mean, I'm still healing. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

I've heard you preach on the fear not. It's the most said thing in the Bible, right? Fear not, do not be afraid. Those things, I don't can't remember the number of how many times God says it.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

A lot.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

A lot.

Safety Creates Softness In Love

SPEAKER_01 13:53

And what if that is I I saw it as stop being afraid, you big baby, stop be and someone wiser than me said the other day, Kim, what if that's not it at all? What if we're we've been taught wrong? What if it's he's our daddy and he comes alongside us and he goes, You don't have to be afraid. Right. I'm right here. Because I would never go to our granddaughter and don't you stop your no. I'm like, baby, I gotcha. I've laid down in the bed with her and stayed, and she's gripping my hand tight. I can't get out of there. I'm like, it's okay. Big mama's here. I'm not gonna go anywhere until you fall asleep. I'm here. It's okay, you can rest. That's how much more loving is God?

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Because we don't even love nearly like he does, not even an inkling like he does. And it for him to say, I got this, don't be afraid. And I that has given me courage actually to think differently about my approach to some things. And it's it's man, you know, y'all. I'm just gonna share with you when I put my hands down and stopped um thinking I'm holding on to something, and it's just eh, it's just eh, and realize that I can put my hands down because I rest in my father's hands, and if he is holding me, why in the world am I reaching for something else if I'm sitting in his hands? Goodness man, being human is just hard, plain old hard.

What Prevents Wounds From Healing

SPEAKER_01 16:17

But I yeah, this limping business, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:21

And and I was gonna say, we show up, you know, today with all the scars and all the injuries and all the unhealed, you know, on the foot example, as you said, we went straight to the emergency room and got the stitches and you know, did everything. How many of our emotional wounds have we never even tended? Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Well, we wouldn't admit, I got it. I'm just gonna throw rub some rub some proverbial dirt in it. Yeah, some imaginary dirt. Yeah, you can't hurt me. Sticks and stones may break my bones. What a big line of beat.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

The sticks and stones, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:08

I can heal from that.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Words freaking hurt, yeah, they do, and they echo for a long time at times. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Now, what if, what if instead of ordering the the wrap stuff and wrapping your toes together to keep you know protected and we elevate and it bruised your foot all the way up to your ankle. What if I just kept I hit it every morning? I just went pa! Got the spanking stick and went pa every morning while you're healing. And then I said, you know what, just get over it. Well, forgive me. It'll stop hurting if you forgive me. I'm gonna get up the next day, and I may even do it twice a day. And you'll ask me, Are you done hitting me? Really? Is there more? Are you is there more that's gonna come? Nope, nope, I'm done. I won't do it again. I promise. I promise. But then I do it again. Where would how would your foot be today?

SPEAKER_00 18:22

It would certainly hurt worse than it does.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

It would not heal, would it?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

No, probably not, no.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

It would I'd probably end up breaking another bone in there. Why in the world would I do that? What would motivate me to do that? Any thoughts? Wow, not one.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

Pain, selfishness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Pain and selfishness. Why am I hurting?

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Well, I mean, you've got hurts.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

I didn't get I didn't shove that thing in my foot. You did it all.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

My way.

unknown 19:15

Yeah. Not the yeah, not the good way.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

You see where I'm getting? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

I was there a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Y'all.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

It's just, it's just pain and selfishness, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

That's what doesn't give you the right.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

But but there is no right. There's no ever, it's there's never a right to harm somebody. You have the you have the we always have the opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Okay, then you took the opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

But we don't have the right I think believing you had the right. I didn't have the right to hurt you.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Correct. You sure had the massive ability and desire and choice. Uh you put your protection above protecting me.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

I did. And I'm, I mean, I'm deeply, deeply sorrowful for that.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

And then stop. Sorry, stops. Again, sorry stops. So here's here's what I'm attempting to get at is the pain, the injury, the infliction of injury has to stop for healing to even begin. Does that make sense? Yeah. Does it? Does it really make sense?

SPEAKER_00 20:51

It does make sense.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Hmm. Now I will say healing can take place even when injuries are attempting to be inflicted. And here's how I can say that is because I am healing, even though I still live with a person who has a problem telling truth. Um has a problem being transparent. It's it's better, but it's still there. And so um, and in those situations, in order to get for my healing to begin, I had to remove myself from the situation. So

Detaching For Safety And Support

SPEAKER_01 21:49

when you were continued to inflict pain on me, John, by lying, gosh, just straight, uh yeah, I'll I can't ever unsee that. I can forgive it. But I can't, I I can't unsee it. That is oh that is a big trust mound. Untrust, trust. Anyways, that's a mountain that you yeah, you put you put there. Never had to be.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

And so um when I remove myself, and I've removed myself physically, and I've removed myself emotionally. And all of that helps. Now it's a lot, I'm in a different um, I could be in the same place or a similar place as you are very different place because I'm older. I don't have young kids, my kids are grown. Um, we do have our daughter and son-in-law and granddaughter living with us at the moment. Um, and that puts a little bit of a wrinkle, but it's not it's not um undoable for me to escape into my she shack and go sleep over there for a night, two nights, a week, whatever I need. And that's okay. And that's how I have chosen and um taken the opportunities and and learned what I need and what I desire in life and what works for me. And so I think I said this on the last podcast of that John chooses what he does. I I cannot control him. And you know what? It would be such a I would probably absolutely dislike him if I controlled him. Because that that just ruins any kind of spontaneity or anything. How boring of a marriage. What I want is for him to stop hurting me. What I want is for him to be honest and transparent and open and take the opportunities that are presented every flipping day to be transparent, come forth, be proactive in being different, showing up different. And so there is hope that healing can uh begin and take place. It I think I would not be where I am without the community that I am a part of, the communities that I'm a part of. And um, because they're my they're my strength next to God, they come second, and they are where I go when um I need to vent or something, and and they're safe. It's community, we heal in community. I will say that on every podcast if I need to. We heal in community, and because of that, because I could um excuse myself, if you will, detach physically, emotionally, I have been able to um get further down the road. Now, here's what's crazy is I think, I don't know this to be the truth, but I'm just gonna think out loud here for a second. I think I would be possibly further along had I not continued to get shot at and shot by my husband. Because there were, I had to heal over all over again. A lie, guess what? I gotta heal all over again. The good news is as I began to heal, I didn't, it didn't, um, a lie wouldn't send me back to square one. And today, a lie, when he lies, it's uh okay, you know what? That's just the confirmation he is not a trustworthy individual. I cannot change that. What can I do? Well, don't trust him, verify whatever he tells you, verify with two or three sources and not AI. Verify. Ask a lot of questions, even if he hates getting asked questions, ask a lot of questions. Watch him sweat it through because you and I, I deserve the truth. I deserve uh better than what I have been getting. And uh yeah, I see you reading something over there. Um I'm just sitting listening. Uh-huh. Okay. If you say so. So I think um gosh, I would I was gonna say the biggest wound, but good gravy. There's no they all suck.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

They all suck. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Invalidation, uh telling me I'm not enough. Uh just the my gosh, the lying, the disinformation. It I think that was the worst part. That's that is the worst part, is not being able to trust you. Which there's no safety. If I cannot trust you, John, there's no safety in this relationship. If you can't be transparent, be honest, no safety. Sure.

When Recovery Looks Like A Performance

SPEAKER_01 28:44

So uh there's this guy out there, Jeff. Do you know his how do you say his last name? Stewer?

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Stewer.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

And I'm gonna quote him real quick because this is good. And he says, after betrayal, the recovering, which the um unfaithful partner often feels enormous pressure to prove. Pardon me, my cereal tonight was good. That's my dinner. Um, the recovery, and I'm not gonna edit that out, y'all. We're just real flipping human beings sitting here chitty chat, chatting it up, telling you our story. I hope something you can pick a nugget out of this. Anywho, sorry, Jeff, for butchering this. He says, after betrayal, the recovering partner, which is the unfaithful partner, often feels enormous pressure to prove they can be trusted again. They might track progress, follow every instruction, and present evidence of change. On paper, it looks like all the right things are happening. But for the betrayed partner, it often feels like a performance. Like they've been turned into an audience who's expected to respond with gratitude, forgiveness, or closeness before they're ready. And that's why proving so often backfires. Have you had a taste of that?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Sure. Sure. And and the reality is, you know, uh to push back a little bit on what he said, the reality is at some level, um, in the in the journey of recovery, it is it is a it's not a performance, but it it does feel like a performance at times, because I'm consciously, at times, consciously choosing to act in a diff in a way that's not yet natural. And so if that if that's a performance, then so be it. But it is a but but I'm making a conscious choice, you know, and it's that it's the grid of unconscious incompetence to conscious incompetence, where I I know I'm blowing it, I know I'm butchering it. But before I didn't even know how bad I was butchering it, I just was butchering it to then get to conscious competence where I can get it right, but I have to think about it. I really have to put effort into it. And on the journey to becoming unconsciously competent, where I'm just real all the time, and it's effortless, but it is a very long journey from around that grid. And so, yes, that it is a performance, and and and we are trying to prove that not in a I'm gonna, you know, not in a deceptive way, but in a real in a in a way that's that's genuine, that I want to be different, and I'm working hard to be different, and it feels like a performance because I really have to work hard at it. Because I've trained myself all these years to be who I became, and so now I'm I'm having to consciously do things differently, and it feels weird, it comes out weird at times, and it and it looks awkward because it is awkward.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Okay, and the uh reality that you did fake recovery for a long time on this proving it just by going to groups for what it it if anything changed, it was so minuscule it wasn't even noticeable. Um so for me, had this come out of your mouth, say seven years ago, five years ago, three years ago. Could there might be, we might be on a different path.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

By now. We might have three hundred episodes under our belt, but it didn't, and so that whole faking it to me is way too real, way very much um like you're trying to pull one over on me because that's how I have experienced it.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

I I get that, yeah. So and I call you out on it, and I yeah, and I'm okay with that. I'm I certainly no, that's different.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

You're okay with it, but you're not okay with it in the moment.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Some moments I am, other moments I still get departed. But like I said, it is this because I have to I have to grab myself in those moments and rein in the emotion and do all these things that I'm not used to doing. And be considerate and be kind and be, you know, validate and all those things that I'm just not used to doing yet.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Right. And well, here's the conundrum is this big pile of poo that you have built to climb over because of all the faking it and dis and the trust breaches. That proving it, if you will, faking it, sends a message to me of more his not being authentic. So be careful, tread lightly, don't trust him. Sure. It's all a show because you have done supposedly these things before, but it only lasted, you know, it lasted good gosh, you couldn't even keep it up for a week, barely a couple of days before you lost your chatanqua. Because it was fake, it was all fake, and so it's provable, consistent, provable behavior over time. It has to be consistent, consistent, consistent, consistent. Not this gaslighting, not um turning the conversation on to something else, not blame shifting. Authentic, authenticity, something that has eluded you in our relationship for a very, very, very long time. Oh, well, ever since I've known you. I don't know that I've ever known you to be authentic. Because how do I know who's the real? Will the real remember that to tell the truth? Will the real John Cap stand up? And who who is it? They're all telling all these stories. That's what I've gotten.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

When will authenticity show up? Because all the fake stuff had it. Full of it, thank you. I'm done. I want real and I want authentic. I want truth. And if you can't bring that, okay. I can be okay to go, okay, you can't do that. We're not gonna have a relationship. I'm okay with that. I've come to full circle on this thing. I'm tired of the wounds that continue to get inflicted when there's no reason for it. Not a single one. No reason whatsoever. So

Community Self Care And Boundaries

SPEAKER_01 37:39

I am gonna choose to not limp anymore. I probably will for a little bit. Kind of like my hip hurting me every once in a while when I sit for too long. So walking with that emotional limp of man, this healing journey is just a big old bucket of suck, y'all. It is. There's no getting around it, there's no um nice way to put it. It is just a massive bucket of suck. It's that's why God said, Don't do it. Don't do it, don't be unfaithful to your spouse. Don't betray your spouse. Don't betray yourself. You gotta betray yourself first before you can betray anybody else. You gotta lie to yourself first. What the what? That's why God said, Don't do it. That we can we can heal through it, even if our spouses are still being bozos and still um continuing to show up uh as they have. We as the betrayed spouses can um can heal, can begin to heal. We can stay well through all of their stuff, and it is in community. I'll say it again. I would not be on the healing journey that I am on without the community, communities that have surrounded me. And uh man, if anything, I I wouldn't trade those ladies for anything. And for that is the one thing I'm grateful for this journey. I hate it. I hate that we everyone in my communities had to go through betrayal. I hate that. But I'm grateful that we can um support each other, we can validate each other, we can um just not be alone because there's someone else out there who knows our story, who loves us. And so I encourage you, if you are not in a community, please find groups out there. There are so many nowadays. Um, it is it will help you, they will come alongside you. We're all limping through it. Um, I encourage you to um care for yourself, work on your self-care, get some sleep, make sure sleep is so important to our bodies, our minds. That is, I believe, a gift from God of a healing time where our bodies can regenerate and rest and and heal themselves. Um get outside, touch grass, get in the sun, exercise, all good stuff. And get um, my I think the best part of my healing journey has been the relationship with God that has just um exploded into some wonderful, oh my gosh, precious times that He has done some fantastic healing in my heart and in my mind. And then there's healthy boundaries. If you don't know how to set healthy boundaries, there is so much um information out there, there's a book even on that, and then understand that this will take time. And I don't know, these ones that say 18 to 24 months, man, that that's based on both of you immediately getting help, immediately facing your demons, the whatever's traumas in the past, facing your fears, working together. Okay, I could see two years out there. Typically, that's not the case. There's usually someone dragging their feet. There's typically um more stuff that has not been revealed. So um just be prepared to give yourself some time and grace and love yourself as you would a dear friend. Have your own back. It's okay. It's okay. I validate that for you. All right, John.

Hard Truths Hope And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 42:54

We're at our time limit. I'm calling it. All right, any last word?

SPEAKER_00 42:58

Yeah, I would just say um it's it's always gonna take longer than you hope, and it's always gonna be harder than you think.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Yep. The easiest path is straight through it. Hit it head on, put your hands down.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

But I will say this that every every pick inch of healing is worth the effort. And I'm not healed by a long stretch, but I'm so different than ever than I ever was, and I'm you know, I'm very thankful for that. I'm so at times frustrated with myself at where I still am. But at the same time, I'm really grateful for the the progress. It may not be much to anybody else, but it's a lot to me.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Yep. So not where I was, but not where I'm gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

So celebrate celebrate the wins. I'm not where I wanna be, but I'm not where I was. Celebrate the wins and uh just recognize that it it's a marathon, not a sprint. But it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Well, we'll see about now. Healing is worth it. I I I will agree with that. Healing is worth it. I wouldn't trade the what I know now. Uh man, I wish I'd have learned this when I was like eight, nine, ten. Good gravy. Holy smokes. Well, I didn't. So I'm learning it now in my 50s. And that's okay too. I'm doing it. Let's do it together, y'all. All right. So until next time, y'all, when we answer the question, what the what? What the what? That is a question I ask a lot. And I'll just um tell John right now that's your opportunity to uh share your journey, to um answer my questions. I have 10 questions out. Actually, there's gonna be 11 questions. They're out there. I know I'm taking you by surprise. You've got you've got some time to prepare. You've got time. So y'all hang in there with us. Boy, I hope that you can pick a nugget out of um what we have discussed tonight, and that you give yourself just so much grace. It is okay to walk with an emotional limp for a while and forever if you need to. That's what it takes to um to be get healing. And even when we're healed, we still limp a little. There's things that are kind of gonna come up. That's okay. That's okay. You're not alone in this. So thanks for joining us, y'all. And until next time, God bless.

Closing Words And How To Connect

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Thank you for taking the time to listen today. Remember, you are more than what happened to you. We'd be honored to come alongside and guide you on your healing journey. Connect with us at www.hurtmeets healer dot com. Until next time. God bless.