Safety First, part 1

Safety isn’t a buzzword for me right now, it’s the line between surviving and actually healing. I’m recording solo as John steps back, and I’m talking plainly about what it feels like to live in the aftermath of infidelity, porn addiction, and long-term secret sexual behaviors. When the person you trusted most becomes a threat, your nervous system does exactly what it was designed to do: it sounds the alarm. If you’ve been told to “just let it go,” I explain why that doesn’t work and what trauma-informed recovery looks like instead.

I walk through the non-negotiables that create emotional safety after sexual betrayal: real accountability, consistent transparency, empathy that shows up in actions, and time. I also share what I’m doing on my side of the street to reclaim agency, including finding betrayal trauma support that understands the symptoms, setting boundaries that protect my peace, and building internal safety with grounding, journaling, exercise, and solid support networks. I even use a simple ladder metaphor for unfaithful partners: you don’t learn repair by studying it, you learn by practicing it.

If you feel abandoned, disregarded, or like your body won’t calm down, you’re not alone and you’re not too sensitive. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs safety language, and leave a review so more betrayed spouses can find real help. What’s one small step you can take toward safety today?

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Intro & Outro music written, performed, and produced by Kim Capps.

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Transcript

Welcome And Core Message

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Hi, and welcome to the Heart Meets Taylor Podcast. I'm Kim Caps, your host and president of Heart Meets Healer LLC, a business tree, business plus ministry that was created to help individuals and couples for walking through the devastating impact of sexual addiction and infidelity. Thanks for joining me today. Hey y'all, welcome back to the podcast. I am uh titling this episode Safety First. It might be a few parts in there, so this might be part one. Um I will see how this rolls and we'll go from there. Uh John is not joining me. He will be taking a sabbatical for a little bit. Uh, I am sad to report that uh we're we're not seeing things equally. We're not we're not on the same level right now. And so he is he is, I don't know what he's doing right now. He's in the other room. But um I'm gonna continue on with the podcast and just sharing my journey. That's why I started this in the first place. I want to, through my life, hopefully help others see what it's like and know that you're not alone. That's the main overarching message I want you to know is that you're not alone. You're not alone. Our world, our lives have been shattered by infidelity, by porn addiction, secret sexual behaviors, and many other forms of sexual betrayal. And I just want you to know your safety matters, emotional safety, physical safety, psychological safety, spiritual safety, all of it, it all matters. It is all important. And I believe that before any discussion about forgiveness, any discussion about reconciliation, even deep healing as a couple, the very first thing that has to be established is safety. And I want to talk about today, well, I guess introduce it, why that is, why uh safety is the foundational block, if you will, for rebuilding a relationship. And maybe it's not a marriage, maybe it's uh a parent, maybe it's a child, maybe

Why Kim Records Solo Today

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it's a friend. It all comes back to safety. Am I safe with this person? And what I've discovered is after I've been at this for a very long time. This is oh my goodness, decades long. I really started working on my healing journey truthfully in the last decade. I I had seen counselors before, I had gotten many, many uh therapy sessions. I did not understand what was going on in my relationship. I do now, after many, many more therapy sessions and getting in groups where I could be validated and understood, where I could feel accepted, where my emotional uh my emotions mattered, my emotional state mattered to someone else, and I could feel safe with these people. So I want to, I just want to discuss how I really want to focus in on a group, a group of spouses, and I mainly work with women, so I'm gonna be talking to the ladies mostly. And I want to talk to y'all who have been on this road for a while. It's wearying, it's frustrating, it's maddening at times, and it's very sad that a person that we love, and this person claims to love us, still struggles after all these years. And and I'm not talking, oh, it's just the one he made a mistake here or something light. No, this is a deep, this I know my spouse is deeply wounded. It shows up every day in ongoing patterns with lack of curiosity, lack of self-awareness, lack of a desire to gain understanding of what's going on inside of him, and to understand how I'm I hurt, how what he does and says hurts me. Yeah, it's it's just been a long time. And there comes a point when or there came a point for me where I chose to and I think it's our responsibility to provide safety for ourselves first. When um when I discovered this reality, it was it was as if the light came on. Um my nervous system was just going bonkers, and I I I was baffled that okay, what's going on? He seems to be okay. He I say, okay. You can't see me air quoting, but I'm air quoting this. Yet we're not we're not connecting, if you will. We're not seeing eye to eye. Um, there's not understanding, there's not emotional maturity happening.

The Ongoing Pain Of Dismissal

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There's something, something is off. And honestly, I can't put my finger on it. I can guess. I can, you know, through my all of my training and schooling and whatnot, I I can put a big guess out there. But I I don't know what is up with my spouse. He must delve into his own hurts, his own wounds, his own traumas, his what wounding that happened in childhood that is still affecting the dregulation that shows up in our relationship. And I can't I can't do that for him. I cannot be his counselor, I cannot be his coach, I'm not his mommy. I am a partner in this journey. And when he chooses to deflect, deny, freeze, ignore, uh discount my knowledge that I've gained, it's legit knowledge. It's it's good stuff. And in addition, when he discounts the pain that he continues to inflict on me, and it's not it's not imagined on my part, it's not uh made up, it's it's real. It it is a uh I'm supposed to just forget about what all happened. And there comes a point when I I believe my mind will I won't ever forget it, but I believe that my my nervous system, my emotional state, as I mature and grow and heal, the the pain of that will lessen. There's a however in here that goes to when I am still being hurt by the same behavior. Something's wrong. Not in me that I'm hurt by it, that that the hurt continues. And it's it's this um it's this reality that he would rather discount, deny, be defensive, and disconnect from me rather than face the reality and truth of his actions and his words. That reveals uh a lot of about character. And it's not that he continues to hurt me, it's that he is choosing his emotional comfort over my emotional safety. And that it just adds another betrayal upon top of the original betrayal. And I am choosing, once again, I've had to do this several times in in this relationship to step back to healthily detach. I can't fully uh run away at the moment, and I'm not gonna run away. I I'm just I'm I'm tired of continually being shot at and hit with arrows. I I can I can choose to um step out of the way, and and that's what I'm doing. I am choosing to not not fight. I will continue to speak the truth calmly, and I'm choosing to not get upset, not if he wants to deny his reality, he that's his choice. He can do that. I'm gonna live in truth and in reality and not put my head in the sand. I did that for way too long, way too long, three plus decades. I'm just not doing that anymore. Uh and it doesn't help, doesn't help to ignore the elephant in the room. The elephant is there. My gosh, you're just gonna walk around it. And he does that very well, and I'm sad, I'm sad about that. So I want to again speak to those of us who have been on this journey for a very, very long time. And it's it's I want to why it's not optional, why safety

Betrayal Trauma And Body Alarm

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first isn't optional. And it's due to we cannot relax and our nervous system will not calm, especially after sexual betrayal, if we are still, if if if our bodies and our minds think and believe that we are still under threat. I mean, the person after a sexual betrayal, oh my gosh, my mind was scrambled, my nervous system went berserk, and it was because the person I trusted most, with my heart, with my body, with everything within a split second, became a threat. And it it's not as if my feelings were hurt, if only, no, it totally rewired how I felt safe in this world, and how I then looked at others and oh my gosh, is this person safe? Oh, and is this person safe? Oh, and is this person safe? And there's a lot of people smarter than me out there, the experts, I'll call them, and they absolutely emphasize that the prerequisite for any meaningful repair is safety. Safety has to be established without it. There's no getting through it. There's no moving on, if you will. I don't like some of these sayings out there, let it go. What does that even mean? Let it go. How do you let it? No, you heal it. It's like breaking your leg, oh just let it go. Let it go. It was just a mistake. It was you didn't mean to let it go. That okay, that doesn't even make sense. Our bodies keep the score, and it's gonna come out sideways at some point if it doesn't get healed properly. And so what I had to do, I had to do a few things right off the bat. I didn't, I needed to, and you can tell by the tone of my voice that I'm a I'm a bit frustrated with myself. However, I'm not angry with myself. I've I've gone back and sat with me, my younger self, and forgiven myself. I've allowed Jesus to come into those situations when where I didn't know. I had no idea. I was gaslighting myself about what was going on. And I had to stop that. And I had to forgive myself and then learn. Learn to not do that, tell myself the truth. I had to stop minimizing the impact on me, my physical health, my mental health, my emotional health, my spiritual health. And then I had to create conditions where my nervous system could begin to relax, to downregulate, get out of that fight, flight, freeze, fawn mode. And that then allowed me to be less anxious, be less hyper-vigilant, not numb out, um, not think that every person I see is the boogeyman out to get me. I did for several years, many years, as a matter of fact. And that's that's just that was my brain, that was my nervous system trying to protect me, doing exactly what God put into me and you to do, by the way. And so what how does how does creating safety work, if you will? Because what's happened for me personally is that my spouse continues with defensiveness, with inconsiderateness, inconsistency, words not matching actions, actions not matching words, untrustworthiness. And then I heard the other day, he actually told me I don't know how to make repairs, and that kind of threw me back a little bit. Um, but not accepting full accountability and and taking full responsibility consistently, uh being consistently transparent and the lack of empathy, the lack of empathy, oh my goodness, huge. And without those things, repair is not possible. It can be the first thing that has to come is owning that you hurt and wanting to gain understanding, well the first thing that has to come is the unfaithful spouse must acknowledge, even if it takes a thousand times, a hundred thousand times, it won't, because if you fully take responsibility consistently over time, your spouse, me in this instance, my nervous system will be able to relax and calm down and begin to even consider trusting again. But until until I know that I know that I know that my spouse fully accepts responsibility, doesn't put blame on, well, I had a bad childhood, well, you were this, and then you did that, and so I did that. No, they fully own it as many times as it takes, by the way. Not not saying to me, Well, I said I was sorry. I've said I was sorry. Boy, that that doesn't that doesn't work for me. I'm just here to say it doesn't work for me. That's not taking accountability. I know you've said you're sorry. Thank you for reminding me of that. How are you proving that? So that's where I sit tonight and why I'm recording this episode alone, if you will, solo. I'll go with solo. And I don't want to be a downer on this because there is good stuff to learn. Um, I'm doing I'm doing well. I I don't like that this is where my marriage is right now, but but you know what? I I accept it. It is it is where it is. I cannot force John to change. I don't have that kind of power. What I can do is focus on my emotional, psychological, uh, spiritual safety. I'm not in any kind of physical danger. And so I can I can learn to do that to regain my agency.

Find Real Betrayal Trauma Support

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And the first thing that I chose to do was prioritize my healing and to find support, betrayal trauma support, very important. If if you're in a group that does not understand betrayal trauma, I highly, highly recommend that you find those people, be it a therapist, be it a group that understands betrayal trauma related to um sexual infidelity, not just some general Bible study group or uh general marriage counseling, that will not help you. And in fact, what it did for me was cause more harm. So that's that was the first thing. We um we need someone who understands the symptoms that betrayal, trauma, what those symptoms. Are from betrayal trauma, what it looks like. And they understand them. And they know how to be there with you through them, not just say, well, if you just love him more, well, if you just forgive more, it doesn't work. I have forgiven and forgiven. And forgiveness, by the way, I'll just do a little recap here. Forgiveness is not for them, it's for us. It's for me. I forgive to release the justice to God. And I choose, you know what? I'm not going to take vengeance out on my spouse for what he does. It number one, it doesn't work. Well, it doesn't work well. And it doesn't help me. I feel worse in the process. So forgiveness is necessary. It's a huge step for our healing, not for coupleship necessarily. It will get there, but for our healing to even begin. And so they finding a group, finding a counselor and a therapist that understands how to coach, mentors, there are a bunch out there. If you need a resource for that, you can shoot me an email, Kim at hurtmeetshealer.com. I do read my email and respond. And we have we work with Bravehearts and Women and Men in the Battle, living truth.org. And I can send you their links that we also link to them on the on our website. So that's the first thing. Prioritize your own healing and find find good betrayal trauma support.

Boundaries That Protect Your Peace

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And then secondly, what I had to do was establish clear boundaries and what I needed for transparency, what that looked like. And I'll just be honest with you, when boundaries came out or came up in my life, I thought, all right, yes, it is about time. Because let me tell you something about you that you don't know, John. And I'm gonna tell you how the cow ate the cabbage and what you're gonna do. And this is gonna be non-negotiable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That is not how that works. Uh fail, fail, fail on all of them for me. That's not how boundaries work. And I am a prime example of uh how not to do things. If you want something tried out to so you will know what not to do, I'm your girl. I can do it. Boundaries are for me, they're for my safety, and they're what they establish what I need, what I want, what I desire to keep me safe. It's not punishment, which man, I thought, oh yeah, oh, he's gonna hurt now because mama set these boundaries. No, I can't make him do squat. I choose what to do. So if if I'm in a conversation, for example, I have stated a very healthy boundary with John that if and when he becomes defensive in a conversation, I will leave that conversation. Now we can we can take a 10-minute, 15-minute break, come back to it, or not. It's you know, it just depends on what what we're discussing at the time. Uh if there's lying, I uh I have chosen to disconnect because I cannot I cannot live with a liar. I cannot live with a non-truth teller that does not mesh with my spirit. If if you're gonna hide something from me, that's a no-go for me. And so I'm gonna choose to step back and kind of live at the 20,000-foot level for a time. I'm gonna watch behaviors, I'm gonna listen to words. Do they align? Is there openness? Is there again that full accountability, consistency, transparency, is there empathy? And when those things don't show up, I stay at 20,000 feet, maybe even go up to 25, maybe even 30,000 feet. And sadly, that's where I sit tonight, is I'm at about 30,000 feet right now. And what's sad is that it doesn't have to be. Um, I'm just not, I choose to not give in to the never talking about it again. That's to me, that's ridiculous. And also not talking about recent hurts. If uh I mean that means if I have to if if that's what his rules are for me to just let it go, that means I can't, I can't speak my mind about anything. I can't uh bring up a recent hurt. I can't express my feelings about anything because that would mean I didn't let it go. So I'm caught in it's this gaslighting limbo of and Darvo and all the all the big words that they say out there. I lose my agency to choose if I do it his way. And so I'm not, I choose to retain my power, I have agency over myself. He gets to choose if he wants to man up and be responsible to the level that is necessary to be in relationship with me. I'm not, I'm not gonna lower myself to make him feel better about himself. That's not my responsibility. I'm gonna keep on lifting myself out of this mire. I'm gonna keep on learning. I'm gonna keep on uh with my healthy boundaries. There's a certain level of access to me that requires transparency and honesty and openness, humility, empathy, consistency, trust, being considerate. And when that's absent, that's not a marriage relationship. That's I don't know, that's a brother, that's a sister. That's that's somewhere way far away from a marriage relationship, and so um, yeah, that's where I sit on number two, establish clear boundaries and transparency requirements.

Internal Safety And Daily Practices

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So number three was that I chose to build internal safety and self-reliance. I had to learn what grounding techniques were. I had to learn how to not own other people's stuff and to just let them be. Let them show up as they're gonna show up and know that hey, I'm I'm still okay. And there's a lot of times I tell myself that I have to look myself in the mirror and and remind myself that I am okay, I'm safe, I'm loved, I'm okay, and I'm worthy. Slow S L O W. And it slows me down a little bit, it helps me calm, helps me relax. I do a lot of journaling and uh mindfulness. I question thoughts when they come into my mind. I uh because I don't, if I start believing garbage, man, garbage in, garbage out. And I want to I want to be a person of integrity that I want to choose courage over comfort, I want to choose what's right over what's easy. Comfort and easy, that's that's the easy way out, and I think that's the weak way out. I don't want to be that way, I want to be courageous, and I want to make good and healthy choices, and so I develop these routines. I get up and exercise five, six days a week. I have rebuilt some support networks. I have chosen to financially um stabilize myself to where should something happen, I will be okay financially. I have a great support group, groups and friends that I can call and chat with just to you know bounce things off of to go, hey, am I crazy here? Am I am I seeing things wonky or or am I okay? And so and that's building my internal safety and self-reliance. I track patterns and and it's okay. It's okay to watch for and document inconsistencies or defensive responses so that we're not blinding ourselves, so that we can see reality clearly, not through our hopium lenses, or if we're gaslighting ourselves. Oh, it wasn't that bad, but see reality clearly because I my safety starts within. I reclaim my agency when I trust my instinct and intuition that God gave me, by the way. And I reduce, I because of my healthy detachment, I reduce reliance on an unreliable partner. And that's helped me immensely, just this one step right here. Because my number two is the boundary thing, they get blown to schmitherines. Schmitherines, just blown out of the water, and you know, he gets to do that. He that's it, that's his choice to do that, and so I re-established, maybe change him up a little bit. Uh, but I know that I am providing for my safety at this time. And if John So chooses to become emotionally healthy and stable and wants to participate in a true adult relationship, there's you know, there's steps that have to be taken to uh prove that out. Consistent, provable behavior over time. All right, moving on here, because I don't want this to be too long on this episode here.

Changing The Relationship Structure

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Number four is evaluate and adjust the relationship structure. And that I've done that uh many, many times to create safety from the things that keep that were continuing to trigger me. So um I stayed in my She Shack for, oh my gosh, a long time. I got space, I have a great counselor. Um, I requested for John to get specialized help and care. It it took him a while to find. He, I think, has gone through like five um counselors. And I here's the thing: a counselor is only as good as the truth that our spouses tell the counselor. In other words, if my spouse is going into counseling just screaming about me and not giving the truth about what his behaviors were in the relationship, then he will not get the help and things won't change. And I believe that's where we are right now, where I sit. Sadly. Um, and so I'm you know, I'm back to that reevaluating and adjusting the relationship structure. And I have chosen to just put my hands down. I don't cause any ripples in the water right now. I am living my life, and actually, it's the calmest I've been in a while. In a while. And number five, protect daily life. And maybe this four and five kind of go together because I have chosen to just stop talking about stuff. Uh, there was a big breach in my security wall um by my spouse. He opened up a conversation as we were coming home from um, we had been out of the country and we came back just a few weeks ago in. And the historical pattern has been when we come home, that for some reason is so upsetting to me. It's some trigger. It's oh my gosh, I feel unsafe again. And so, and I'm working to figure that out what is up in me, where's the unhealed trauma in me? Where's that wound? But he asked me, Hey, how you doing? And I told him. And he said three words or maybe five words. I'm sorry about that, and that was it, and then went silent for the rest of the way home. Didn't show up for me, didn't provide empathy, didn't provide care or concern or ask any questions, didn't attempt to gain understanding. And this is a consistent pattern, a very consistent pattern in our relationship. And I'm just I'm to the point where unsafe. This is unsafe. And that's just reality. That is where we are, that's where I am. I do not feel emotionally safe with my spouse. And I'm taking proper measures and doing what I know to do to build my own safety. And those are the those are the steps that I do. That's what I have done this time. And my the big question, oh there's there's a couple of big questions out there. Why, why? Why do why do I still feel emotionally unsafe around my spouse? What is showing up in both of us that causes that? I feel abandoned and disregarded. And I believe that's and again, this is not something new and is not is not fresh. This has been going on for decades. And when I continue to see it and experience it, I mean I just I'm disappointed that this is still going on. And I want to validate y'all, ladies, especially, if you have been in this struggle as I have for a very long time, year after year, day after day, week after week, I wish, I wish I could say, oh, give it a couple years. I wish that has not been my experience. However,

Scripture, Grief, And Feeling Seen

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I am comforted because I can read in God's word, even David in Psalm 55 said, Listen to my prayer, O God. Do not ignore my cry for help. Please listen and answer me, for I'm overwhelmed by my troubles. That's verses one and two. And then in four and five, he says, My heart pounds in my chest. You ever felt that? I have. The terror of death assaults me. Fear and trembling overwhelm me, and I can't stop shaking. David, the man after God's own heart, the ruler of Israel, the king that God chose for his people. Had fear and trembling, couldn't stop shaking. And then of course Job, the the biggest I think, story in the Bible of suffering. Even he says, and and this is the new living translation, when I think about what I am saying, I shudder. My body trembles. That's Job 21, 6. Man, I just want to validate if you feel those things, you're you're not alone. You're not alone. And I thank God for putting those in his word so that we would know. Hey, we're not the first ones to feel this. We're not alone. There's a wound, a real wound, and it's not been allowed to heal. It keeps getting bumped, it keeps getting hit, it carries sorrow, it carries longing. It's betrayal. And it's a heavy, heavy burden. It's a grief. And grieving, by the way, is an action word. They went when uh if you read, and even still today, but if you read in the Bible, the when the Israelites would grieve, boy, people knew they were grieving. They put on sackcloth and um ashes on their head and sat outside their tent. They wailed. There are some uh cultures today that grieving goes on for days, weeks even. It's action. People scream, they wail. It's action. It's okay. And it's okay to be angry. That's a legitimate emotion. Absolutely legit. We're under threat. And can my relationship be repaired? It's

What Real Repair Actually Requires

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possible. It's possible. Not though in its current state. It is not probable in where we are right now. What needs to happen, in my opinion, for safety to safety has to be restored, and what does that even look like? Well, my spouse needs to take full responsibility without blame shifting, without defensiveness, without reminding me he said sorry already. That's not taking full responsibility. That's minimizing my hurt and his actions. Taking full responsibility with humility and empathy on a consistent basis. And then that genuine empathy. Genuine empathy, which he told me the other day. He doesn't even know what that is, or what it looks like, or how to do it, or like, oh my gosh, all this time. And you don't know what that looks like or what it is. And I'm gonna let me just speak to the unfaithful partners for just a second here. You can read all you want about how to climb a ladder. You can watch podcasts, you can watch people climb a ladder. You can look at a ladder, you can even go touch a ladder, stand by it, purchase a ladder. But guess what? You will never climb the ladder if you don't pick your foot up, grab hold of the sides, and begin to climb the ladder. Put your feet into action. Not read the instructions. Well, the instructions say do this, that, and the other. Well, so and so says it. Well, I watched the video of it, so I know how to do it. I don't have to actually go practice it or even change my mind about it. You can't learn how to climb a ladder unless you start climbing ladders. And then if you only go up one rung and then step off and claim that you climbed a ladder, you're just lying to yourself. My gosh, guys, do the flipping work to be different. You've got freaking awesome women just waiting, begging for you to show up differently. Do the work. All right, now back to us as the betrayed spouses, as the healing spouses is what I'll I'm gonna I may pivot to that. We'll see. Empathy has to has to show out genuine empathy and humility for the pain that they inflicted, true, genuine remorse, true transparency, consistent behavior over time. And that's the last one is time. And here's what's sad when this transition and transformation in our husbands begins to take place, which some are more stubborn than others, it often takes up to five or more years of consistent effort for trust to be rebuilt. And it all starts with honesty and safety. Five plus years, and you haven't even touched the ladder yet. Good gravy. Guys, you're gonna lose your spouses. Start climbing the ladder, not just one step on and step off and oh yeah, I climbed it. When you're not even understanding, oh wait, the ladder has to be propped up against something solid. Oh, wait, I can't have one of these legs hanging off, or it's gonna tip and tilt. Oh, and the bottom part needs to be so many feet out for however high up the ladder goes. People think climbing a ladder is pretty easy. Yeah, if you've ever fallen off one, you will uh you'll attest it. Maybe not so much. So, anywho, I will wrap this this uh episode up on that note.

One Small Step And Next Moves

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I think next next episode, I'm gonna continue on with a part two of what safety looks like. That's where I'm um living right now, and that's what is needed in my life is absolute safety, honesty, transparency, all that leads to safety. So, y'all, I thank you for listening. I hope there's a nugget in there that you can pull out of this episode. Um it's this is just a big old bucket of suck. It's not fun. It's it's not healthy. Not healthy at all. And we deserve safety. We deserve safety. Healing after sexual betrayal is not linear, and rarely is it quick, but good gosh, you don't have to be on the lifetime bus either. Take a step every day. Spouses, unfaithful spouses, take a step toward your hurting spouse. And for us as the hurt and the betrayed spouses, we can take steps toward our own safety, creating our own safety for ourselves, for our nervous system to help us relax and calm ourselves down. That's a step towards reclaiming our life and our own sense of self. You are not too sensitive, you're not overreacting. Your need for safety is valid and wise. And I just want to encourage you start where you are. One small boundary, one honest conversation, one therapy appointment, one night of better sleep. You don't have to figure it all out today. Just take one step at a time. And at any time you can reach out to me. I'm willing to walk this journey with you. I do coaching one-on-one. You can reach out, Kim at Hurt Me's Healer. Just shoot me an email and we can we can talk about it. Thanks for listening today, y'all. And until next time, God bless. Thank you for taking the time to listen today. Remember, you are more than what happened to you. We'd be honored to come alongside and guide you on your healing journey. Connect with us at www.hurtmeetshealer.com. Until next time. God bless you.